Models postings

[Milla79]

Therefore if you choose to get involved with the forum as you have done 555 times, then you have to accept that our comments are just that - to the management and not yourselves.

Come on now Jon, do you honestly believe that in all the negative posts that have been made to these models, and I might add other models as well, were comments only for management? Many if not all of them from these Threads to the models in particular have been posted with the knowledge that the model would more than likely read them. That being said, you come back with the statement that the model should not take any of the comments personally. Maybe in a perfect world, but my friend, we are not there yet. At least on this side of the pond.

I have to disagree with those who would restrict what models say as if somehow they are not allowed to defend themselves. The fact is that anyone has a perfect right to say whatever they wish to say here and in point of fact if you say something that is disagreed with by the model or another paying customer then you can be taken to the woodshed for it if that person thinks you are out of line. I have heard some rather catty remarks made by people here concerning different models. Some of those remarks were personal in nature. I have replied to some of those comments myself and I have no issue if the models reply to them as well.

As for this BS of the customer is always right, no he or she is not and if a person gets a reply for their observations then my opinion is suck it up and take it like an adult. If you believe the reply is inappropriate then take it up with management, otherwise do the rest of us a favor and favor and piss off.

I couldn't agree with you more, guys.

 

[Damien Kyle]

This Thread Is Funny lol Team Damien Kyle <3

 

[stowe1]

Let's not get our knickers in a twist guys and gals over this. Everyone is entitled to his or her own views, obviously. After having read this thread, here are mine for what they are worth:

1. Jon has been a member for a long time and has explained the "raison d'etre" (sorry no French accent marks on my keyboard - lol!!) of the forum. Obviously, that has changed over time and management has been the agent for that change by not only allowing models to post but also encouraging them to do so by some sort of payment schedule. Up until recently, that must not have been much because the models - even the most popular ones - were posting irregularly at best.

2. It seems that management has decided to engage in developing what use to be called in the heyday of Communism - a "cult of personality" around certain chosen models. It started with Lucas and recently has included Graham and Damien most prominently. In the past, adulation of certain models, e.g. Blake, Jason, Chad, Colin percolated from the forum on up the chain to where the models began to post. In this "cult of personality" model the seeds of adulation are planted by the models themselves and management. If memory serves there was a case not too long ago where a model started to post even before his first scene was available for viewing. I'm not saying that there is anything necessarily wrong with this, but I think it is a distinction that should be understood when discussing this issue.

3. With Damien's comment on his & Graham's scene thread being the tipping point for something that has been brewing for a while now, as Jon correctly points out, I have to agree also with Jon that no one called Damien on his comment. Ironically when I read that thread yesterday (3/31) and saw Damien's comment, I thought to myself "he's being a wise-ass" and actually began to type a response to it, but the more I got into it, I decided that it really wasn't worth the effort. When taken in the context of some of the truly awful comments and mean-spirited posts during the whole barebacking debate, what Damien wrote was insignificant.

4. So the issue, it seems to me, is whether or not models should be permitted to post on the "Membership Site Chat, Comments and Suggestions" section of the forum; or should they be restricted to posting on the new "Chat With Our Models" section (which says no new threads allowed - whatever that means). I still do not understand the rationale for that section unless it is meant to be a place to talk about general things other than their scene work - since no new threads are allowed. And if there are no new threads allowed, where to do threads come from. Again, I think a nice idea from management, but not well thought out and/or explained.

5. As I see it, the horse is out of the barn on this issue and I just don't think there is any way short of banning the models from doing so by management (just as management banned members from pm'ing models back whenever) that you can change what is current practice.

6. HAVING SAID THAT, however, the models have to realize that members are going to express their opinions on scenes in which they act. And the models have to realize that their work will not be universally loved and admired. They thus have to be able to take the criticism along with the praise.

7. I do not agree with those who say that the member-model distinction is irrelevant. To the contrary, I think it is most relevant. Remember as I have said very frequently here and I'm sure to many fellow forumites "ad nauseum", Broke Straight Boys is a hustler website. These guys, instead of hustling on the street to get paid to have sex with men are employed by Broke Straight Boys to perform, act if you will, and put on a webisode having sex with another guy for the benefit of the paying members of the site. We are the customers, johns indirectly if you will, and they are the service providers, employess or in the parlance of porn websites, models. The models have to understand that to whatever degree managment takes into consideration, the views of the members mean something. I'm sure there have been instances when a model has not been retained or called back because of an unfavorable rating and/or unfavorable forum comments.

8. I think with this "cult of personality" model in place as I see it, the models might feel that they are well liked by the powers to be and that's all that matters. Obviously, to be favored by management is important, but the views of the members are not insignificant to the management either. If not, why would it keep trying different things to improve the site for the members?

9. The ethos of the forum is that everyone can and should express his or her opinions and that should be done in a civil way with no personal attacks made. This is the ideal. But the ideal is not always achieved. And in the vast majority of cases when a poster goes over that "ephemeral line" other forumites will call him or her on that. This applies to ALL posters. In the case of the Damien post, I should have called him on it, but I didn't. Nor did anyone else. I know why I didn't, as stated above. I don't know why others didn't. So if models post, they are going to be treated the same way as any other poster and they are expected to post under the same ethos as members.

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[Toby21]

I just made a post about all this over on the other thread, but I didn’t reading any comment made by Damien or anyone else any differently than some of my friends talk to me. I’ve been told I was talking shit and many other things – sometimes its just how people talk and other times someone is trying to get my attention. But I don’t see that as any reason to get upset.

Anyway, I have a counter proposal. Maybe we should just split the membership form into two sections*: 1) for members that want to talk with models and ones that don’t. I wonder which will end up seeming more negative in the long run.

Toby

* Count this as my April Fools ;-)

 

[juanjo]

"1. Jon has been a member for a long time and has explained the "raison d'etre" (sorry no French accent marks on my keyboard - lol!!) of the forum. "

So what. Jon has been a member about as long as I and a number of others. That a two dollars gets you a ride on MUNI. He has explained his opinion and perhaps some agree and some do not. Makes no difference.

"2. It seems that management has decided to engage in developing what use to be called in the heyday of Communism - a "cult of personality" around certain chosen models. "

And in capitalism it is called marketing.

"3. With Damien's comment on his & Graham's scene thread being the tipping point for something that has been brewing for a while now, as Jon correctly points out, I have to agree also with Jon that no one called Damien on his comment. "

Poor Jon, taken to the woodshed by a model and upset no one ran to his aid and chastised the model for being uppity. How elitist of you. Maybe people agreed with the model. And perhaps if Jon had taken the matter up privately with the management then he would not be receiving the criticism he is now. Either way the only one with his knickers in a twist seems to be Jon who choose to make this a public issue. As for myself I find it amusing that some people seem to believe they can say whatever they wish and not receive blowback for the same.

"4. So the issue, it seems to me, is whether or not models should be permitted to post on the "Membership Site Chat, Comments and Suggestions" section of the forum; or should they be restricted to posting on the new "Chat With Our Models" section (which says no new threads allowed - whatever that means). "

As I said before. If one chooses to offer criticism then one should expect to receive a response. That response may or may not be warm and fuzzy. But then again criticism is not generally warm and fuzzy.

"5. As I see it, the horse is out of the barn on this issue and I just don't think there is any way short of banning the models from doing so by management (just as management banned members from pm'ing models back whenever) that you can change what is current practice."

"Agreed"

"6. HAVING SAID THAT, however, the models have to realize that members are going to express their opinions on scenes in which they act. And the models have to realize that their work will not be universally loved and admired. They thus have to be able to take the criticism along with the praise. "

I quite agree but then again I think that members should also expect to receive responses form models especially if there is something about the opinion the model considers unfair or unnecessarily personal.

"7. I do not agree with those who say that the member-model distinction is irrelevant. To the contrary, I think it is most relevant. Remember as I have said very frequently here and I'm sure to many fellow forumites "ad nauseum", Broke Straight Boys is a hustler website. "

So what. Assuming this were so and I do not agree with your analysis, are prostitutes not allowed to express their opinion? Must they accept whatever criticism regardless of whether they feel it is justified or unnecesarily personal in manner? Who made that elitist little rule?

"8. I think with this "cult of personality" model in place as I see it, the models might feel that they are well liked by the powers to be and that's all that matters. Obviously, to be favored by management is important, but the views of the members are not insignificant to the management either. If not, why would it keep trying different things to improve the site for the members? "

I do think the management has been quite responsive to the members' suggestions and criticisms. I also think that members [not speaking directly of Jon] have at times been rather personal and nasty to put a fine point on it. Getting taken to woodshed by the other members or the person who was unfairly criticized is to be expected.


"9. The ethos of the forum is that everyone can and should express his or her opinions and that should be done in a civil way with no personal attacks made. This is the ideal. But the ideal is not always achieved. "

I quite agree.

 

[keylow365]

This is funny to me I am not commenting on this but I am about to put something in perspective. Most of you know I am in the military guess what I had to do today call a 19 year old kid and tell him and his family he was getting deployed to Afghanistan in May. He went quiet for awhile and I could hear his mom comforting him as he cried I would have done anything at that moment to take his place. He is a good kid in college and now he is going to war where he is not guaranteed to come home alive. He wishes he could go back to petty arguments but he can't he has to prepare for war. That is his reality you can argue and get upset over the petty stuff but most of you will wake up in the morning and go to work or go about your life. He will wake up and prepare for being away from family and friends for a year. Is the back and forth really worth let it go in the grand scheme of life this is not that serious.

Thanks

 

[Blue011]

Stowe As Ayn Rand

Let's not get our knickers in a twist guys and gals over this. Everyone is entitled to his or her own views, obviously. After having read this thread, here are mine for what they are worth:

7. I do not agree with those who say that the member-model distinction is irrelevant. To the contrary, I think it is most relevant. Remember as I have said very frequently here and I'm sure to many fellow forumites "ad nauseum", Broke Straight Boys is a hustler website. These guys, instead of hustling on the street to get paid to have sex with men are employed by Broke Straight Boys to perform, act if you will, and put on a webisode having sex with another guy for the benefit of the paying members of the site. We are the customers, johns indirectly if you will, and they are the service providers, employess or in the parlance of porn websites, models. The models have to understand that to whatever degree managment takes into consideration, the views of the members mean something. I'm sure there have been instances when a model has not been retained or called back because of an unfavorable rating and/or unfavorable forum comments.

9. The ethos of the forum is that everyone can and should express his or her opinions and that should be done in a civil way with no personal attacks made. This is the ideal. But the ideal is not always achieved. And in the vast majority of cases when a poster goes over that "ephemeral line" other forumites will call him or her on that. This applies to ALL posters. In the case of the Damien post, I should have called him on it, but I didn't. Nor did anyone else. I know why I didn't, as stated above. I don't know why others didn't. So if models post, they are going to be treated the same way as any other poster and they are expected to post under the same ethos as members.

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What I think you are totally missing with your post stowe about the acceptance the "hustler" concept of what this site is about is a social conscience. You seem to come from a social darwinist point of view where the people who HAVE can do what they want which seems to be channeling Ayn Rand. The blessed few get to say anything, do anything and the folks on the bottom deserve the abuse because they are bad people because they are on the bottom. (I realize that I am making this argument and taking it to its logical and extreme conclusion. I am sorry if you think that this is unfair."

I try to live my life with a social conscience and I try to always be aware of how my actions affect others.

We are not talking about sex here. I assume that most on this site share an interest in male sex with its multiplicity of forms. We enjoy the male form and how we can interact with each other in an enjoyable way.

What we need to be careful about is the sense of entitlement provided to some that they are superior and better than others and thus can treat another human being any way they want without making sure that all parties consent and benefit from this interaction.

The difference in power in these interactions is the place where you leave me behind in your analysis.

All people who post on the forum deserve the same sort respect because they too are a fellow human being.

This can be done even when providing an opinion about a model, a scene or the comments of another poster.

Other than that, I wish you the best.

 

[grace17]

So, let me get this straight. You think it is ok that those who have a little more money than another get to abuse the less fortunate however they like?

The models are working. They deserve the same respect and dignity that we would want extended to paying members.

The examples of "paying members" abusing models verbally on the forums far outweigh any return comments from the models.

Wow, talk about a golden rule and do unto others whatever you want to.

This standard is simply unacceptable on the most elementary moral basis.

This in a community which thinks that the rest of society treats them unfairly and prejudicially...

I don't think I'm better, smarter or more superior than anyone else and I didn't say 'it was ok that those who have a little more money than another get to abuse the less fortunate however they like', if you choose to interpret my comment that way then that's up to you.

I do think we have different opinions and that's okay.

 

[Blue011]

Grace,

If I have misinterpreted you in any way, then I beg your pardon.

 

[grace17]

Grace,

If I have misinterpreted you in any way, then I beg your pardon.

Thank you, Blue. I appreciate your graciousness.

I also appreciate your opinions, differing ideas and thoughts are what make this forum an interesting place to visit.

 

[BSBGraham]

Graham - I really like you fella (thats English for friend),

The forum was created yonks ago for feedback to the management about films and the site. If we do not like a film or absolute love a film, then our correspondence - that is via the forum film critique thread - is to the management and not to the individuals concerned. Therefore if you choose to get involved with the forum as you have done 555 times, then you have to accept that our comments are just that - to the management and not yourselves.

That is the main point of this thread. When things get personnel and models call each other then I think that the privilege that the models have has gone too far and, as stated earlier, your participation should be curtailed to the new models section of the forum.

However, if you choose to take out your own membership and have the same access and privileges as us members, then please feel to subscribe. No offence meant.

Yeah I see the point, I want the feed back negativity or positive, but when you say stuff about personal issues about us models then that makes us wanna speak our mind as members would about a scene, its the same thing ha. I see people comment and I just shake my head like nothing happened cause it really doesn't affect me as many people think ha. I just feel the need to express myself like a member of the forum that I am. I am a member regardless for being a model or not. That goes for other models as well. But I accept the comment I get and I learn from them and if I have a chance to do more scenes i'll improve no doubt ha. [/I]

 

[BSBGraham]

This Thread Is Funny lol Team Damien Kyle <3

It's like a roller coaster same thing up and down. Consistently, repeating itself hahahaha.

 

[BSBGraham]

This is funny to me I am not commenting on this but I am about to put something in perspective. Most of you know I am in the military guess what I had to do today call a 19 year old kid and tell him and his family he was getting deployed to Afghanistan in May. He went quiet for awhile and I could hear his mom comforting him as he cried I would have done anything at that moment to take his place. He is a good kid in college and now he is going to war where he is not guaranteed to come home alive. He wishes he could go back to petty arguments but he can't he has to prepare for war. That is his reality you can argue and get upset over the petty stuff but most of you will wake up in the morning and go to work or go about your life. He will wake up and prepare for being away from family and friends for a year. Is the back and forth really worth let it go in the grand scheme of life this is not that serious.

Thanks

Id have to agree. It's really not worth this argument. Everyone here is old enough to be mature. But like I said before you need to learn when to stop otherwise youre just gonna ush your favorite models away, and you wouldnt want that not would ya? I feel for that kid tho, I have a friend out there right nor serving and he says its boring as hell and he gets no free time and the food sucks. And he also expresses how horny he is and wants it badly LMAO. I bless that kids heart for serving for us, its just really sad to see someone that young just give up so much to protect us from whats danger. MANY MANY blessings for him and his family.

 

[BSBGraham]

EVER HEARD OF PEACE, ALREADY? LMAO HAHAHAHA. Peace be with you all )))

 

[tampa24]

I bless that kids heart for serving for us, its just really sad to see someone that young just give up so much to protect us from whats danger. MANY MANY blessings for him and his family.

EVER HEARD OF PEACE, ALREADY? LMAO HAHAHAHA. Peace be with you all )))

Amen to that Honey Graham. xo

 

[joninliverton]

This thread has divided opinions which is fair enough. Everyone is correct in their own minds and no one will change my mind on this one. "Tis a pity that TG has decided to leave the forum based on people's reaction to his post though, but that is his decision but we are keeping in touch. Again it is interesting to note the lack of Broke Straight Boys management on the issue, but as per the bb thread, they don't chime in until it's too late.

 

[stowe1]

"1. Jon has been a member for a long time and has explained the "raison d'etre" (sorry no French accent marks on my keyboard - lol!!) of the forum. "

So what. Jon has been a member about as long as I and a number of others. That a two dollars gets you a ride on MUNI. He has explained his opinion and perhaps some agree and some do not. Makes no difference.

"2. It seems that management has decided to engage in developing what use to be called in the heyday of Communism - a "cult of personality" around certain chosen models. "

And in capitalism it is called marketing.

"3. With Damien's comment on his & Graham's scene thread being the tipping point for something that has been brewing for a while now, as Jon correctly points out, I have to agree also with Jon that no one called Damien on his comment. "

Poor Jon, taken to the woodshed by a model and upset no one ran to his aid and chastised the model for being uppity. How elitist of you. Maybe people agreed with the model. And perhaps if Jon had taken the matter up privately with the management then he would not be receiving the criticism he is now. Either way the only one with his knickers in a twist seems to be Jon who choose to make this a public issue. As for myself I find it amusing that some people seem to believe they can say whatever they wish and not receive blowback for the same.

"4. So the issue, it seems to me, is whether or not models should be permitted to post on the "Membership Site Chat, Comments and Suggestions" section of the forum; or should they be restricted to posting on the new "Chat With Our Models" section (which says no new threads allowed - whatever that means). "

As I said before. If one chooses to offer criticism then one should expect to receive a response. That response may or may not be warm and fuzzy. But then again criticism is not generally warm and fuzzy.

"5. As I see it, the horse is out of the barn on this issue and I just don't think there is any way short of banning the models from doing so by management (just as management banned members from pm'ing models back whenever) that you can change what is current practice."

"Agreed"

"6. HAVING SAID THAT, however, the models have to realize that members are going to express their opinions on scenes in which they act. And the models have to realize that their work will not be universally loved and admired. They thus have to be able to take the criticism along with the praise. "

I quite agree but then again I think that members should also expect to receive responses form models especially if there is something about the opinion the model considers unfair or unnecessarily personal.

"7. I do not agree with those who say that the member-model distinction is irrelevant. To the contrary, I think it is most relevant. Remember as I have said very frequently here and I'm sure to many fellow forumites "ad nauseum", Broke Straight Boys is a hustler website. "

So what. Assuming this were so and I do not agree with your analysis, are prostitutes not allowed to express their opinion? Must they accept whatever criticism regardless of whether they feel it is justified or unnecesarily personal in manner? Who made that elitist little rule?

"8. I think with this "cult of personality" model in place as I see it, the models might feel that they are well liked by the powers to be and that's all that matters. Obviously, to be favored by management is important, but the views of the members are not insignificant to the management either. If not, why would it keep trying different things to improve the site for the members? "

I do think the management has been quite responsive to the members' suggestions and criticisms. I also think that members [not speaking directly of Jon] have at times been rather personal and nasty to put a fine point on it. Getting taken to woodshed by the other members or the person who was unfairly criticized is to be expected.


"9. The ethos of the forum is that everyone can and should express his or her opinions and that should be done in a civil way with no personal attacks made. This is the ideal. But the ideal is not always achieved. "

I quite agree.

Et alibi aliorum pluramorum sanctorum martyrum, virginem, et confessorum - where do you fit o sancte pater?

 

[stowe1]

What I think you are totally missing with your post stowe about the acceptance the "hustler" concept of what this site is about is a social conscience. You seem to come from a social darwinist point of view where the people who HAVE can do what they want which seems to be channeling Ayn Rand. The blessed few get to say anything, do anything and the folks on the bottom deserve the abuse because they are bad people because they are on the bottom. (I realize that I am making this argument and taking it to its logical and extreme conclusion. I am sorry if you think that this is unfair."

I try to live my life with a social conscience and I try to always be aware of how my actions affect others.

We are not talking about sex here. I assume that most on this site share an interest in male sex with its multiplicity of forms. We enjoy the male form and how we can interact with each other in an enjoyable way.

What we need to be careful about is the sense of entitlement provided to some that they are superior and better than others and thus can treat another human being any way they want without making sure that all parties consent and benefit from this interaction.

The difference in power in these interactions is the place where you leave me behind in your analysis.

All people who post on the forum deserve the same sort respect because they too are a fellow human being.

This can be done even when providing an opinion about a model, a scene or the comments of another poster.

Other than that, I wish you the best.

You really have to take a reading comprehension course. But I doubt it would help, because you want your conclusions to be right. You know nothing about me and nothing I wrote can suggest to an objective mind that I am social darwinist, an elitist or any other type category in which you wish to place me. People might not like to think of Broke Straight Boys as a hustler website because they don't want to think of themselves as johns of a sort, But the facts are as they are. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I could try to infer from what you write that you are an elitist, but I would not because I don't know you.

Sancte pater, sic transit gloria mundi!!


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[mactee]

From way out of the blue, completely of topic.

Graham, just to lighten the mood, here's something from way, way out of the blue.

I have watched a number of Japanese films and I've noticed that in many of them the actors end their statements with a sound that sounds a lot like the way you end some of your statements in your posts. I've highlighted your word below.

Yeah I see the point, I want the feed back negativity or positive, but when you say stuff about personal issues about us models then that makes us wanna speak our mind as members would about a scene, its the same thing ha. I see people comment and I just shake my head like nothing happened cause it really doesn't affect me as many people think ha. I just feel the need to express myself like a member of the forum that I am. I am a member regardless for being a model or not. That goes for other models as well. But I accept the comment I get and I learn from them and if I have a chance to do more scenes i'll improve no doubt ha. [/I]

My question Graham is: Where did you learn to write in Japanese? LOL

Is this silly or what?

Now, let's enjoy each other and have a good time getting off if possible.

 

[Blue011]

My Reading Comprehension Is Just Fine

People might not like to think of Broke Straight Boys as a hustler website because they don't want to think of themselves as johns of a sort, But the facts are as they are. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I could try to infer from what you write that you are an elitist, but I would not because I don't know you.

Sancte pater, sic transit gloria mundi!!


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The hustler - john paradigm that you suggest is by its nature, a private one. It is both private and intimate.

The Broke Straight Boys model who appears on this site has agreed to be filmed/taped and viewed by others. I do not believe the model expected to have his entire life explored and laid out for the general public. The scenes are fantasies which are played out for the general audience.

In the hustler - john situation, the risks for both parties exist.

Here on Broke Straight Boys, the viewer remains in safe anonymity and able to act as he pleases. That is an enormous difference in the power relationship.

Which is why I think it is important to treat the models fairly as a fellow human being.

In today's world, the difference in the way we treat others is generally grounded in class/income levels.

We all must stand for basic human rights be the person gay/straight/transgender or whatever.

The blanket "there is nothing wrong with that" misses this issue.

Our community ought to be more sensitive about how we treat others especially in the context of entertainment.

That is what I meant.

I do not know you. I am sorry if what I said offended you.

But, my reading comprehension is fine.