Mike and Anthony

[joninliverton]

Ahem.
Casper,

A. David doesn't actually drag these models into a car off the streets. They volunteer using the appropriate application form. What has or is going on in the models personal life and what determines them to make the decision to model is their business. If all the models did a morale test before filling in their app form then there probably wouldn't be a site.

B. The models only go as far as they are willing to do so. If they want more money then the pay goes up according to what they do.

C. The members have the right to request/discuss how, where or what they would like to see future films and who performs in them. Just as you have the right to write the previous post.

D. You should have re-read you thread a few times more and realised that you were actually casting stones to the membership in general - not nice.

 

[slimvintage]

Hi Slim,
I think that the forum is for discussion so I don't know why there would have been a problem. I think people get disgusted with half the stuff that I post but, I just don't know much about this stuff and so I ask lots of questions..about everything. I also have to say that you are one of the most helpfull guys that post on the forum. You have answered lots of questions that I was kinda scared to ask so I do appreciate you. I also appreciate the fact that you have always tried to assist me when I have asked you things. Alot of guys here think I'm a total idiot and full of shit but, Most of them are Gay and I'm not and they just seem to think that everyone should already know everything about it. It amazes me that some will watch a guy on video being fucked for the first time and just enjoy it and get mad and think David should take them out if they won't go further and further. Why does everyone else have to go as far as they might be willing to go before its enough...What about the person on the video itself... Why do they feel they have the right to determine how much is enough. Do they ever consider how much of a struggle the guys may have went through in there own life because they was doing something they may not have really wanted to do but needed the money so bad that there wasn't any other options. ( How many of you guys right now are thinking that..."Well they didn't have to do it"....I think people who think that must be really sad people anyway)..yeah..whatever Or maybe those people just don't care so long as they get there little thrill out of the way. Maybe some people are just so convinced that everyone in the world is really gay and just waiting for them to turn them on to it that they just don't give a shit about the person in question. Maybe everyone to them is just a piece of meat that they can just demand be prepared rare,, medium, or well done like a steak. (you know whats really sad is that most the people that read this post are going to think...well it wasn't really there first time..or well I can tell that they've done that before, or I can tell they really liked it, or I could tell that they were really gay but didn't know it). They would only know anything so far as they accept it within themselves and could not possibly know the thoughts and feelings of others who may have there own standards for themselves. Its kinda like the person who posted the thread asking "Where's the Color"...Why does anyone feel that they have the right to decide what another may like or dislike. Who are they to even consider they have that kind of authority.. I don't care who they think they are because maybe there just not "thinking" at all.

The next thing people will probably mention is, "Well, Casper your paying for the porn in this place also so you are just as responsible as anybody else"...and that would be true. I am responsible for that and I know it. I did join this site because I had questions about myself and the fact that it was advertised as "Straight" guys doing it for the first time than well, I thought it would help me out in my own descisions ( I was after all straight as far as I know and I was really considering trying something like that..I still am considering it.)

There is no doubt whatsoever that I love Tyler and Logan because apparently I see something in them that either I want to see in myself or its there and I just don't realize it. I do want more Tyler videos to be on this site because I would almost guarantee that it was a person seeing Tyler "perform" in the videos that brought them here to join the site. I know for a fact that it was Tyler that brought me in here. The only reason someone may not want more Tyler videos is that they already got him to do pretty much all they wanted him too and maybe they think they can move on now to there next project. (THEIR next project) I fell in love with Tyler not because he did all that stuff on the videos but, because I just liked him for himself. I feel the same about Logan....I also feel the same about David (Dande01)..I haven't met David in real life myself but for the month that I've been here so far, there is only one time that he said something that really kind of hurt me and it was actually on this thread. Everytime I get a chance I tell David that I love him and I do....Of course I wear my heart on my sleaves and everything like that (not a bad thing) so I may be a little more compassionate or loving than some on here...(I'm like that in real life too so you know I have had my share of hurt feelings before.

I'm still begging for more Tyler videos to be put up so I guess I don't change very much. haha but they don't either because they havent posted any updates yet.

Casper

P. S. if anyone gets mad at this post than you can just send me a dirty message..as I really don't want to be humiliated all the time that I'm here.

Love ya

Casper

P. S. S. I re-read my message and if your wondering "What the hell does this have to do with this particular thread".....I haven't a clue...just noticed that myself oh yeah a forum for discussion...that is what brought this chapter on.

Hey Casper,

Take a look at the original post on a thread called something like "What's so effin' special about Tyler?".

Lots of guys on here dote on Tyler, but you and I like to say why. You say it so well, and are able to articulate your feelings so clearly, that I feel really close to you man (for this, and obviously other, reasons). Thank you for devoting this whole chapter to absolutely making my day.

Take care in OKC, but have a great time. Talk their heads off, and pick someone really cute to jack each others' dicks with, in a nice place, and drive safely, or however you're getting there and back. Then tell us what happened.

 

[**casper**]

Ahem.
Casper,

A. David doesn't actually drag these models into a car off the streets. They volunteer using the appropriate application form. What has or is going on in the models personal life and what determines them to make the decision to model is their business. If all the models did a morale test before filling in their app form then there probably wouldn't be a site.

B. The models only go as far as they are willing to do so. If they want more money then the pay goes up according to what they do.

C. The members have the right to request/discuss how, where or what they would like to see future films and who performs in them. Just as you have the right to write the previous post.

D. You should have re-read you thread a few times more and realised that you were actually casting stones to the membership in general - not nice.

Jon,
A) your right he don't force them into the car or drag them off the street fighting and screaming
B) After the models have went as far as they are willing to go. They either get posts about how its time for them to go because they done as much as they would or they get pressured into doing more things for the money that they probably need. (After they done everything that everyone wanted them and theres nothing left) We flaunt our mastery over them by dropping them and moving on to the next model. I know its a porn site but, I'm not going to appologize for thinking more of the models than just the show they put on for us.
C) I thought we was discussing things...If I'm only allowed to discuss the things that the others want me to discus than they should probably tell me that so that I don't waste my time offering up my own thoughts which apparently is unworthy of the exalted ones on the site.
D) I think you should re-read that post yourself because I included myself in everything I said. I also mentioned that I am just as responsible as everyone else.....I'm not casting stones at anyone

Did I mention that 3 or my friends and myself are filling out the damn applications ourselves...we know what it says...

I love you Jon.....I would marry you in a second if you was single....in between the constant fighting the sex with probably be totaly f*()ing fantastic
Casper

 

[tampa24]

Jon,
A) your right he don't force them into the car or drag them off the street fighting and screaming
B) After the models have went as far as they are willing to go. They either get posts about how its time for them to go because they done as much as they would or they get pressured into doing more things for the money that they probably need. (After they done everything that everyone wanted them and there's nothing left) We flaunt our mastery over them by dropping them and moving on to the next model. I know its a porn site but, I'm not going to apologize for thinking more of the models than just the show they put on for us.

Dear Casper,

I suppose that most of that could apply to me as well as several other members in here. And you do paint a fairly accurate picture. It's just the spin that you put on it that I take some mild exception to. I do believe that you and I are in the majority in here as far as having a high personal regard for the models themselves as human beings. They are all blessed children of God and are equals to all of us members in every way. They are no less deserving of respect than any of the rest of us, simply because they are hired to perform for our viewing pleasure.

I am constantly amazed at the high spiritual evolvement of so many of you guys in here. I wasn't sure what to expect when I joined the forum. I thought it might just be a bunch of pervs. Boy was I wrong there.

When we critique someone's performance in the vids we are not making judgements on their worth as a human being. We are simply saying whether we like the look of the outer shell of their bodies, and whether we like the things they did in the scenes. If a model has been around a long time and has started to get too predictable and boring in his routines then there comes a time for him to move on and make way for newer talent.

There are a whole lot of guys out there in desperate need of money who have things to offer viewers that would be new and refreshing. As David said on another thread a while back: "How many times can you watch Dustin top or CJ bottom?" You can't keep every model around simply because he wants to to keep making money here doing the same thing over and over.

Some straight guy who's broke may look at a scene with CJ and know that he could do better. He might think to himself that not only would he be willing to do everything CJ does, but that he would even be willing to kiss another guy if he was offered that kind of money. He should have a chance at getting hired even if it means that CJ is not offered any more work.

How would it have been if David had told Steve (of Steve and Torin) that he couldn't afford to hire them even though Steve was right next to homeless after the fire? And it was because he already had 25 models on the payroll who didn't want to leave yet. In a business like this you have to have some variety and turnover or else you don't attract new members and you don't retain the ones who are here for very long.

The way David determines which models will be offered more work and which ones won't is based primarily on the response of members and their ratings of the models' performances. There's nothing cruel or unseemly about that. It's show business. Exactly the same as movie actors in that sense.

P.S.

Love you Casper

 

[tampa24]

Best to play safe fellas and wait to I get my hands on my cousin!

Please Do Mike! We want dear Jacob healthy, alive and breathing. No amount of money is worth that risk.

 

[vicekid]

Hi Slim,


"I think that the forum is for discussion so I don't know why there would have been a problem. I think people get disgusted with half the stuff that I post but, I just don't know much about this stuff and so I ask lots of questions..about everything."

Casper, you are 100% correct, the forum is for discussion! Period!!!! Everyone has a different concept of what "discussion" means. Some of it gets totally out of control, so I just ignore it and don't respond. There is very little we can do if stuff you/we don't agree with or want to deal with. There have been individuals that so totally abused the forum, they were banned.

As for people getting disgusted with you posts, I think you are being way to hard on yourself. I believe just the opposite that almost everyone loves your posts. You have add an new era of freshness and excitement to this forum. Sometimes you makes us laugh. Sometimes to cry. Many times you make us think very seriously about life. You freely ask questions that many are afraid to ask, yet all are dying to hear the answer(s) and then follow-up with more questions. Is that not one purpose of the forum?

I love your inquisitive mind, your freedom of self expression and your quest for knowledge. And I am not alone in this "love affair" we have for you.





"[SIZE="3"][/SIZE]Alot of guys here think I'm a total idiot and full of shit but, Most of them are Gay and I'm not and they just seem to think that everyone should already know everything about it."

Casper, I totally disagree that, "a lot of guys" think your an idiot, etc. Too prove it:

All those who think Casper is an idiot, please stand up! (my new phaser rifle needs some targeting pratice)


Those who think that are the real idiots.

We all have/had the same questions at one time or another.




"It amazes me that some will watch a guy on video being fucked for the first time and just enjoy it and get mad and think David should take them out if they won't go further and further. Why does everyone else have to go as far as they might be willing to go before its enough...What about the person on the video itself... Why do they feel they have the right to determine how much is enough. Do they ever consider how much of a struggle the guys may have went through in there own life because they was doing something they may not have really wanted to do but needed the money so bad that there wasn't any other options. ( How many of you guys right now are thinking that..."Well they didn't have to do it"....I think people who think that must be really sad people anyway)..yeah..whatever Or maybe those people just don't care so long as they get there little thrill out of the way. Maybe some people are just so convinced that everyone in the world is really gay and just waiting for them to turn them on to it that they just don't give a shit about the person in question. Maybe everyone to them is just a piece of meat that they can just demand be prepared rare,, medium, or well done like a steak. (you know whats really sad is that most the people that read this post are going to think...well it wasn't really there first time..or well I can tell that they've done that before, or I can tell they really liked it, or I could tell that they were really gay but didn't know it). They would only know anything so far as they accept it within themselves and could not possibly know the thoughts and feelings of others who may have there own standards for themselves. Its kinda like the person who posted the thread asking "Where's the Color"...Why does anyone feel that they have the right to decide what another may like or dislike. Who are they to even consider they have that kind of authority.. I don't care who they think they are because maybe there just not "thinking" at all."

Casper, once again, everyone is entitled to his (or her) opinions. I frequently don't agree. So I don't respond to those posts. By everyone responding it just feeds the flames of the fire and that can get out of control. I just wait for those posts to die a slow death, sooner if no one responds. But, we are blessed to have the right to state our opinions.



"I did join this site because I had questions about myself and the fact that it was advertised as "Straight" guys doing it for the first time than well, I thought it would help me out in my own descisions ( I was after all straight as far as I know and I was really considering trying something like that..I still am considering it.)"

Casper, an excellent reason for joining. Your friends here (Am I included in that group?) are hopefully in our own ways answering your questions and helping you to help explore yourself. I for one do care greatly about your (as does Slim, whom I also love) etc. The fact that we can share our life experiences with others to help them determine where they want to go is a reward worth more that gold. As recently as 15-20 years ago we did not have this type of electronic communication to find each other to help. The fact that you found us and decided to join and ask questions as you seek lifes answers is OUTSTANDING!


There is no doubt whatsoever that I love Tyler and Logan because apparently I see something in them that either I want to see in myself or its there and I just don't realize it. I do want more Tyler videos to be on this site because I would almost guarantee that it was a person seeing Tyler "perform" in the videos that brought them here to join the site. I know for a fact that it was Tyler that brought me in here. The only reason someone may not want more Tyler videos is that they already got him to do pretty much all they wanted him too and maybe they think they can move on now to there next project. (THEIR next project) I fell in love with Tyler not because he did all that stuff on the videos but, because I just liked him for himself. I feel the same about Logan....I also feel the same about David (Dande01)..I haven't met David in real life myself but for the month that I've been here so far, there is only one time that he said something that really kind of hurt me and it was actually on this thread. Everytime I get a chance I tell David that I love him and I do....Of course I wear my heart on my sleaves and everything like that (not a bad thing) so I may be a little more compassionate or loving than some on here...(I'm like that in real life too so you know I have had my share of hurt feelings before.


WE all love Tyler and Logan, amongst others. I can't wait to see Tylers Q/A as I submitted numerous questions via the forum (David had initially asked us what types of question would we like to ask?) If I can find that thread in my spare time, I will bring it forward again for all the members.


My dear friend,

Live Long and Prosper,

Vicekid

 

[joninliverton]

Jon,
A) your right he don't force them into the car or drag them off the street fighting and screaming
B) After the models have went as far as they are willing to go. They either get posts about how its time for them to go because they done as much as they would or they get pressured into doing more things for the money that they probably need. (After they done everything that everyone wanted them and theres nothing left) We flaunt our mastery over them by dropping them and moving on to the next model. I know its a porn site but, I'm not going to appologize for thinking more of the models than just the show they put on for us.
C) I thought we was discussing things...If I'm only allowed to discuss the things that the others want me to discus than they should probably tell me that so that I don't waste my time offering up my own thoughts which apparently is unworthy of the exalted ones on the site.
D) I think you should re-read that post yourself because I included myself in everything I said. I also mentioned that I am just as responsible as everyone else.....I'm not casting stones at anyone

Did I mention that 3 or my friends and myself are filling out the damn applications ourselves...we know what it says...

I love you Jon.....I would marry you in a second if you was single....in between the constant fighting the sex with probably be totaly f*()ing fantastic
Casper

Well I've been away for the weekend visiting my sick grandparents, so I'd thought I'd catchup. All I can say to the above is that I'll agree to disagree. One point that you have got wrong Casper, is that I am single.