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Gossip Is A Terrible Thing

Blue011

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Today, on Broke Straight Boys's, we saw a sad thing when rumor and gossip ruled the day when supposed revelations about one model or another surfaced and lots of speculation occurred. Facts were asserted, assumed and debunked faster than Frontier could create a new poll to create new controversy.

I could see this coming the minute Frontier created the poll on "escorting" and his pitiful defense that he meant nothing by it and it was just harmless fun.

This is the path to McCarthyism folks. Yes, I have the names of 42 known Communists who are either members, models or just folks who know they want to be members of Broke Straight Boys

As I said previously, gossip is a dangerous business when there is no real way to verify the allegations and assertions of who and what people are.

Frontier started this mess and I personally hold him responsible.

The people who joined into the feeding frenzy earlier today on the wild rumors (causing Clay to have to try to set some benchmark for what could be confirmed) and it was not pretty.

Why do some people always want to spoil an enjoyable event for others?

The germans have a word for it -- schattenfreude -- which roughly translates into deriving enjoyment and amusement at the misfortune befalling another (generally a friend).

The amateur private detectives serve no purpose other than trying to rain on someone else's parade.

Not a very pleasant picture to look at and some folks should rethink their value systems which make them Inquisitor Generals.

A sad day for Broke Straight Boys Something we have seen before on this forum and I am sad to say, we will see again given the attitudes of some on this forum.
 
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Today, on Broke Straight Boys's, we saw a sad thing when rumor and gossip ruled the day when supposed revelations about one model or another surfaced and lots of speculation occurred. Facts were asserted, assumed and debunked faster than Frontier could create a new poll to create new controversy.

I could see this coming the minute Frontier created the poll on "escorting" and his pitiful defense that he meant nothing by it and it was just harmless fun.

This is the path to McCarthyism folks. Yes, I have the names of 42 known Communists who are either members, models or just folks who know they want to be members of Broke Straight Boys

As I said previously, gossip is a dangerous business when there is no real way to verify the allegations and assertions of who and what people are.

Frontier started this mess and I personally hold him responsible.

The people who joined into the feeding frenzy earlier today on the wild rumors (causing Clay to have to try to set some benchmark for what could be confirmed) and it was not pretty.

Why do some people always want to spoil an enjoyable event for others?

The germans have a word for it -- schattenfreude -- which roughly translates into deriving enjoyment and amusement at the misfortune befalling another (generally a friend).

The amateur private detectives serve no purpose other than trying to rain on someone else's parade.

Not a very pleasant picture to look at and some folks should rethink their value systems which make them Inquisitor Generals.

A sad day for Broke Straight Boys Something we have seen before on this forum and I am sad to say, we will see again given the attitudes of some on this forum.

Hi Blue, First of all I think you are out of order by making this personal attack on forum member Frontier. Whilst we often disagree within the forum, personal attacks like this are not allowed, and as far as I know, against the forum rules.

Secondly, the revelation did not appear on Frontier's thread, but on Jake's solo thread and more importantly the link the "Jake's" website was not posted by Frontier either.

It is indeed a sad day for Broke Straight Boys, when forum members start a thread attacking an individual member.
 
Right on, Jon!
 
I Made No Personal Attack

I made no personal attack on Frontier.

I only spoke to the actions that Frontier took.

As far as I know, Frontier is a good looking and pleasant person.

My comments regarding him were only in regard to his actions on this forum.

They speak for themselves. Every reader can judge his actions.

I find it curious that somehow I am out of line for stating earlier that Frontier's poll would cause trouble, then the trouble came; and I am bad for saying -- see what I said!

Frontier is a fine, tax paying citizen and admirable in many respects.

He just should not, what is called "push poll", topics which are controversial in the guise of an informal poll of members.

But, I do apologize for being right in my initicial criticisim that bringing the topic of "escorting" on the forums would only cause problems.
 
The problem here did not arise from Frontier asking for our yes or no opinion, about whether some models escort or not. The "gossip" problem that you speak about came from the very sad fact that some members see a model here, or on another site, and then conduct an extensive search to find that person.

If that is done with respect, then it is a perfectly respectful thing to do..........Meaning that if we find an actor that we like we google them to find other films they have starred in.

If we uncover personal information, either purposely or accidentally, and use that information or share that information, that becomes an issue of disrespect, violation of privacy, and "gossip." It is not acceptable for any of us to post anything on this forum that gives anyone a way to contact any models, find out their real identities, etc.

Frontier did none of those things, so accusing him of them is disrespectful and undeserved.
 
Sometimes when a person says uncalled for mean things about another person they actually reveal far more about themselves...
 
I can see no gossip here at all.

Frontier merely started a poll asking for opinions without pointing the finger at any one model.

BSBtimm only stated a fact with the link to prove his statement.

So, who was gossiping?

However, you are right.....gossip is a terrible thing.
 
Hi Blue, First of all I think you are out of order by making this personal attack on forum member Frontier. Whilst we often disagree within the forum, personal attacks like this are not allowed, and as far as I know, against the forum rules.

Secondly, the revelation did not appear on Frontier's thread, but on Jake's solo thread and more importantly the link the "Jake's" website was not posted by Frontier either.

It is indeed a sad day for Broke Straight Boys, when forum members start a thread attacking an individual member.

Thank you.
 
I agree that this thread is out of line and uncalled for regardless of the circumstances. As an adult website, it would be fair to assume that we are all in fact adults. In a perfect world I would like to think that we will all conduct ourselves accordingly. I also know that we are far from a perfect world and people will be people irrespective of their age, experience or maturity.

Its evident here that Blu011 is a bit upset. Looking at it from his perspective, that’s understandable. The fact is there are so many possibilities and so many circumstances to account for. When I first read the poll, I wasn’t aware it was directed at anyone personally. Until last night when I saw the responses saying read this thread, even with all the people saying it was an attack I STILL didn’t know what the fuss was about. So may I reserve this opportunity to thank such threads for pointing out the drama in threads like these where there was no drama before.

The greatest thing about our society here in the forum, is our diversity. Anyone can post a thread or post about anything at any time. Every single post of any caliber is constantly subject to someone else’s opinion. Scrutiny and criticism. Likes and dislikes. Personally, I feel its such differences that make a good conversation.

Just as no models personal or private lives should be invaded upon, no person’s opinion should be set aside or disregarded in anyway. We should not be attacking members under any circumstances let alone for expressing their opinion or posting a racy poll. If the poll was posted with the intent you claim, then other people are just as wrong and should be more considerate to the personal lives of other people. However I don’t feel the poll was directly related to any specific person regardless of its inspiration. I thought it was a generalized poll with an appropriate topic considering its forum. Even if one model motivated the seeding of the question, it strikes a genuine curiosity in the minds of those concerned how far the seed grows.

Worst case scenario, if you’re going to say something, say it in the right place. Your opinion is just as valuable but when you go out of the ring and start a new fight club it’s no longer an opinion and it becomes an attack or a smear campaign. Which brings me back to the people will be people part... This is a website designed for enjoyment and pleasure not drama and stress. There will be disagreement and controversy, everywhere in life no matter how hard you try to avoid it. But if you watch where you walk, you won’t step in dog shit. Sometimes, its just good to let sleeping dogs lie
 
Boy, stay away for a few days...

...and all hell breaks loose. I'm posting on this thread since it is the most recent of the three that have gotten people's knickers in a bunch. I read this thread when I came back to the forum today and it took me a while to figure out what was going on. Then I went back and read the entire "Jason Hartley solo" thread, and the "escort poll" so I could get caught up on everything. And then I went away for a while to compose MY thoughts and here they are. But let me be clear that I read all these posts and thematically grouped them in my mind. Thus, I don't necessarily remember who might have made the point which I am discussing. If I happen to, then I will mention it.


1. The escort poll thread - I did not participate in the poll or comment on it because it is something about which I could care less. But Frontier as a forum member has a right to ask the question, otherwise, I presume, one of the three administrators would have taken it down. And we members have the right to participate or not as we see fit. Also, I don't see it as leading to a "witch hunt" of models. If it does, then that person has too much time on his or her hands.

2. Jake Hartley - unless he is a Broke Straight Boys exclusive ( and I don't know if there is such a thing - many assumed Jimmy Johnson was) then he has the right to model or escort on any site which will take him. That doesn't mean he's not BROKE, not STRAIGHT, and not a BOY. It just means he is trying to maximize his income streams. Whether or not it is legal or not is another question but as someone pointed out this "profession" has been around since the dawn of time.

3. Escorting itself - Thank God for it. My journey out of the closet was long and slow and I was married with children. The availability of escorts and hustlers and street trade provided me with the majority of my man on man sex experiences during that time. And many of the escorts, and the vast majority of the hustlers and street trade had one thing in common - they were STRAIGHT. While there are differing views amongst us as to the efficacy and morality of these particular jobs, I would caution that none of us get on our high horses with negative implications towards people who engage in them. After all, we are members of a porn site which does a similar thing. The site pays two people to have sex with one another for the pleasure of its members. When I called an escort service or picked up a hustler, I was paying him to have sex with me. Broke Straight Boys is the middleman in the transaction and I get to voyeur these guys and if they are hot enough, get off to what I watch. People in glass houses ...

4. Actors vs. Models - When I first started posting on the forum and for quite awhile thereafter, I fought the battle of actor vs. model. And I lost because it seems that the term "model" is the industry standard at least among web-based porn sites. Bigger studios who traffic in full length porn films, are more apt to use actor, or those individuals who are adept in self-aggrandizement will refer to themselves as stars. But there is no doubt, at least to me, that there is some form of acting involved here. After all, the overwhelming majority of these guys are purportedly straight (and Jason assures us this is the case to the best of his knowledge) so they have to act as if they enjoy this gay sex. And the better they do that, the more popular they can become and vice-versa (remember some of the early models in bsb2?) Personally, I don't care what they call themselves or what they are called by others, as long as the work they do is hot and "melts my butter".

5. Causal link - some have implied that there is a causal link between the Escort Poll thread and the Jake Hartley "reveal". I don't see it. People have been citing Broke Straight Boys models past and present on other sites way before Frontier's poll was posted. Moreover, just before I started this post, I tried the link to that site and it came up that the page couldn't be found. Then I just went to the site directly and there was no picture of Jake or any info about him. I presume that means he was successful in having it taken down. And I see nothing odd or contradictory in that post on the escort site carrying the same name as used on Broke Straight Boys Porn is replete wilth actors who do gay and straight and use the same name. There are exceptions I know (Matt Ramsey aka Peter North),but then there are Johnny Castle, Johnny Hazzard, Jeremy Bilding, Cliff Jensen, Tony Capucci to name a few who use the same name on both sides of the house. The same is true generally for people who do work on multiple gay sites.

6. Respect - In the more than year I've been posting here, I've come to know what certain people like and don't like. It might be the same as me or different. And I think we have a duty to each other as Broke Straight Boys members and fellow forumites to extend respect qnd courtesy and civility to one another. Back in the dark ages when I was in college a wise Jesuit who was my English professor would often say that "ad hominem" arguments and attacks are the result of a weak intellect and an even weaker vocabulary. I think we need to keep that in mind.

7. Fantasy vs reality - Fantasy is a strange thing because it really depends on an individual's background and personal experiences. That's not to say many can't share the same general fantasy, but I think each of us has particular elements of a fantasy which are peculair to us. That's what makes this site so interesting. We all watch a scene and then when the comments get posted, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has read comments of others and thought, "Were they watching the same scene as I?" And we have to be respectful of those differences even as we might disagree with them. Also knowing that for some members fantasizing about a current model as "our" Broke Straight Boys is important, then we should be circumspect in revealing information that would ruin the fantasy for them.


Well I don't think I forgot anything. That's how I see. Agree or disagree with all or in part that is your wont. A dear friend of mine who has helped me understand the site, its history; and appreciate the uniqueness of the forum reminds me from time to time not to take all of this too seriously, after all it is just a porn site. I think that is something we all should remember.




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Thanks Stowe

I feel fortunate that Stowe1 is a member of this site, and that he has the interest and takes the time to present such a comprehensive, well thought out overview of the situation that has received all of this attention. You have summed it up so well, and I can't think of any part that I disagree with you on. Thanks for piecing together this latest controversary so nicely.
 
6. Respect - in the more than year i've been posting here, i've come to know what certain people like and don't like. It might be the same as me or different. And i think we have a duty to each other as Broke Straight Boys members and fellow forumites to extend respect qnd courtesy and civility to one another. Back in the dark ages when i was in college a wise jesuit who was my english professor would often say that "ad hominem" arguments and attacks are the result of a weak intellect and an even weaker vocabulary. I think we need to keep that in mind.


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nailed it !!!
 
I feel fortunate that Stowe1 is a member of this site, and that he has the interest and takes the time to present such a comprehensive, well thought out overview of the situation that has received all of this attention. You have summed it up so well, and I can't think of any part that I disagree with you on. Thanks for piecing together this latest controversary so nicely.



Thanks, mikey, those words mean alot coming from one of the most thoughtful posters on the forum, especially since you have been around FOREVER!!!



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nailed it !!!



Jason - the proper and genteel response to this is "Thanks for the compliment". But we 'burghers are nothing if not straightforward so here's what I'd prefer to say: "Rather than my having nailed it, Id rather have you nail me -lol!!!".

Just a little Broke Straight Boys droll humor!!!


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Yea. I just went back and re-read everything and I feel Frontier didn't do anything wrong. Just another example of silliness in Broke Straight Boys Land.
 
I feel fortunate that Stowe1 is a member of this site, and that he has the interest and takes the time to present such a comprehensive, well thought out overview of the situation that has received all of this attention. You have summed it up so well, and I can't think of any part that I disagree with you on. Thanks for piecing together this latest controversary so nicely.

Yes he put everything together very well. Let those who want do, as long as they don't hurt anyone in the process.
 
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