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Delaware votes for gay rights
By 365gay Newscenter Staff
03.27.2009 1:04pm EDT
Two gay victories swept Delaware Thursday, when the state Senate defeated a constitutional ban on gay marriage and the state House passed a bill prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Delaware already has a law limiting marriage to a man and a woman, and Senators expressed concern that the constitutional ban was unneccessary.

“I believe that the constitution … should be not a place where rights are restricted but where there is a positive affirmation of the rights of all of the people of Delaware,” Sen. Brian Bushweller (D) told DelawareOnline.

The anti-discrimination bill, which prohibits prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in housing, employment, public works contracting, public accommodations and insurance, has passed the House three times before, always dying in the Senate in committee.

Because of changes in procedural rules, however, activists are hopeful that this time, the bill will make it to a vote on the Senate floor.
 
I shall keep my fingers crossed and if they have petitions or anything then sign me up. I've signed like 50 different petitions for American equal right battles including for the Prop 8 appeal in California. Living in a country where I now have these rights, I feel a need to ensure that other people have them too.
 
I shall keep my fingers crossed and if they have petitions or anything then sign me up. I've signed like 50 different petitions for American equal right battles including for the Prop 8 appeal in California. Living in a country where I now have these rights, I feel a need to ensure that other people have them too.

Kham thank you for the support. It is appreciated and we may need all we can get. :thumbup:
 
Jayman, did you read Rush Limbaugh's diatribe on Fargo's flooding and the dikes? He was insisting they change the word dikes to something else because it had been usurped by the . . . "you know." I think, perhaps, we should rewrite the New Testament to have Jesus enter Jerusalem riding on a mule because the word "ass" has been usurped by "you know."

Never mind that the spelling is different. Dike/Dyke

Did any of you ever read the now Senator Al Franken's book: Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations? It was quite good!

Maybe we should retire the word "windbag" because it has been usurped by a megalomaniac drug addict. Then in the future when we look up windbag in the dictionary it will just show his picture. :thumbup:
 
Jayman, did you read Rush Limbaugh's diatribe on Fargo's flooding and the dikes? He was insisting they change the word dikes to something else because it had been usurped by the . . . "you know." I think, perhaps, we should rewrite the New Testament to have Jesus enter Jerusalem riding on a mule because the word "ass" has been usurped by "you know."

LMAO. Funny thing how the scribes under careful watchful eye were able to translate the bible and sometimes use the "you know" word when their was never a word for "you know" in Babylonian, Persian, Aramaic, or Hebrew. Isn't it also funny that two of the gnostic scriptures discovered have testaments of Jesus that indicate that Jesus was very supportive of "you know" that life style and he even blessed those who lived that "you know" life style. Of course there is the gnostic testament of Mary, Jesus' wife, who was supposed to be a prostitute before their marriage. Her testament and five others tell of two of the disciples being involved in a "you know" relationship. Too bad the Roman Catholics Church and the Anglican Church decided to deliberately leave out so many wonderful testaments that are supportive of "you know."
 
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Never mind that the spelling is different. Dike/Dyke

Did any of you ever read the now Senator Al Franken's book: Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations? It was quite good!

Maybe we should retire the word "windbag" because it has been usurped by a megalomaniac drug addict. Then in the future when we look up windbag in the dictionary it will just show his picture. :thumbup:

You crack me up...:thumbup:
 
Jayman, did you read Rush Limbaugh's diatribe on Fargo's flooding and the dikes? He was insisting they change the word dikes to something else because it had been usurped by the . . . "you know." I think, perhaps, we should rewrite the New Testament to have Jesus enter Jerusalem riding on a mule because the word "ass" has been usurped by "you know."

Careful Rifle, the word "mule" has been usurped by the, you know, fashion industry fags. Put Jesus on mules and you could end up irritating the, you know, Drag Queens! LOL!!!:001_cool:

PS, when did Rush usurp the word ass, oh, wait, nevermind!

I am,
 
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Also, let us not overlook John Boswell's wonderful book "Same Sex Unions in Pre Modern Europe" which virtually proves the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches both performed and sanctioned same sex nuptials in medieval times and that several saints in both churches were part of such unions. Perhaps we need another word for Benedict - might I suggest Pope Hypocriticus the 265th?

I have told people this several times Rifle. Rev. Mel White and I talked about how gay marriages were welcome all throughout Europe until the Spanish Inquisition then one Pope would not be out done by another after a lecture at my school. Thank you for giving me a book reference. I learned about it in my theology classes. However; I didn't have any specific references other than those given in class. Mel had studied in seminary for nearly 20 years and served as a ghost writer for Rev. Jerry Falwell.
 
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It's beautifully documented and available through Amazon. Many of the ceremonies came from the vaults of the Vatican. When it came out about ten years ago it made headlines all over the world. The NYTimes review was front page stuff. I've had several students use it as a reference in research papers.

Thanks. I definitely need to get a copy of it for my desk refrence. Bless your heart.

Nameste
 
I have a dear friend, Marky, who called his mules, his Betty-Davis-come-fuck-me-pumps, I always thought that a better name anyway! Besides I'd rather have a slightly irritated drag queen out front anyway - you know - making a pearl - to cast before swine - than a steroid enhanced muscle man - you know - struggling to - you know.

Love ya'
IEW - Rifle

Point me to the pigs, er, swine, I got lots of pearls. And I got your pumps too, baby, Patent leather (Red) with 5 1/2 inch heels! And I ain't afraid to walk in them!

I am,
 
Point me to the pigs, er, swine, I got lots of pearls. And I got your pumps too, baby, Patent leather (Red) with 5 1/2 inch heels! And I ain't afraid to walk in them!

I am,

Honey, with heels like that, you are wearing deadly weapons. I wouldn't be afraid to walk in them either. One wrong smirk of comment; they would see how fast that heel can leave bullet hole marks in their head. LOL :thumbup:

LMAO :lol:
 
I shall keep my fingers crossed and if they have petitions or anything then sign me up. I've signed like 50 different petitions for American equal right battles including for the Prop 8 appeal in California. Living in a country where I now have these rights, I feel a need to ensure that other people have them too.

Thanks for your support :) You are a wonderful guy.
 
Gay Marriage Is Not An Economic Debate

May 18, 2009


Gay Marriage Is Not An Economic Debate

Jennifer Whitehead
Reader Submitted

According to the Associated Press, GOP Chair Michael Steele has developed a set of arguments against gay marriage that he hopes will appeal to “young voters and minorities” without compromising the party's core conservative values. These arguments revolve around the attractive vision of helping small businesses save money. Simply put, to deny gay people the right to get married means that small businesses won't have to spend money on health insurance and other benefits for those would-be gay spouses. The article's headline says, “Gay marriage will burden small business.” Steele is said to have used this argument while “chatting on a flight with a college student who described herself as fiscally conservative but socially liberal on issues like gay marriage”.

There are so many problems with this argument that it's hard to know where to start. But let me try.

First, call me nave, but I really, really thought that we, as a society, were past the point where we want to leave more people without health insurance. I'm aware that there is considerable and understandable disagreement about how to cover more people without enormous cost. But isn't the basic consensus that if we're going to control health care costs in this country, we need to have more people with health insurance?

But let's put that aside for a moment, and wander out onto the strange, flimsy branch where Steele is clinging on this issue. All those putative gay spouses that he would like to help small businesses avoid covering—is he assuming they don't have benefits now? There's no reason to think that single gay people, on average, are less likely to have employee benefits than single straight people. Every covered gay person is already costing some business exactly what it costs them to cover a (single) straight person. Allowing gay people to marry each other will result in shifts of costs among businesses—some businesses would now have to offer coverage to a gay spouse of an employee, but some businesses would no longer have to provide coverage to employees who have access to better benefits through their new spouses' employers.

Yes, for every new gay spouse who didn't previously have coverage, a business (large or small) may have to bear a new cost. How significant is that dollar figure? I would be very interested to know, in order to compare it to the cost that all taxpayers bear when people go without coverage—gay or straight—and wind up in emergency rooms or urgent care clinics, on disability and other ‘entitlement' programs, or in long-term nursing care because they haven't had access to good preventive or interventive health care. Every gay person who would be covered if gay marriage were legal, but isn't because it's not, just grows the problem of the un- and under-insured in this country.

But let's get a little farther out on this strange branch we're on, and assume that allowing more people to get married will pose a significant cost to small businesses. The number of gay people who will get married every year, thereby incurring more costs to small businesses that must now cover gay spouses, is tiny compared to the number of straight people who will get married. Even the most generous of estimates couldn't put the percentage of gay newlyweds at more than 10% of all newly married couples. So, obviously, if containing costs by denying spousal benefits is a legitimate goal for businesses, then limiting the access that straight people have to benefits is going to be vastly more effective than focusing on gay people. Why not deny marriage to everyone? That would certainly save small businesses money in benefits expenditures. In fact, when you add in maternity leave, dependent benefits, and all the other little costs that families manage to pass on to their employers, straight people must cost their employers , on average, significantly more than gay people would if they could get married, even acknowledging that some gay couples will be parents.

Of course, denying everyone the right to get married, in order to save small businesses some money, is a ludicrous suggestion. Why? Because marriage is a basic human rightright? In fact, marriage is good for us. Married people are healthier, happier, and longer-lived than single people. Children who grow up with two parents do better on most measures of wellbeing than children of single parents. You wouldn't suggest that businesses (small or large) deny that happy state of affairs to straight people just to reduce costs, would you?

If your genuine belief is that this basic human right doesn't belong to gay people, then rest your case there. Although I don't agree with you, I support your right to your opinion. But don't try to make your argument look like something else. The case against gay marriage isn't an economic one. Those of you who believe that gay people can and should stop being gay, and get into ‘healthy', ‘normal', heterosexual relationships (and marriages) will have to concede that, gay or straight, any newly married couple means potential additional costs for employers. For every gay person whom you convince that marrying someone of the opposite sex is now the right thing to do, that's one more marriage (and one more set of spousal, maternal, and dependent benefits) that some business still has to pay for.

I have to believe that a fiscal conservative (whether socially liberal or not; whether young, female and minority or old, male and white) won't buy Steele's sad justification for denying people the right to marry the ones they love. If you think being gay is a choice, a behavior, a lifestyle, a sin—whatever—then you must also recognize the irrelevance of economic expedience as a factor in supporting or denying gay marriage. It shouldn't matter.

If, on the other hand, you're uncomfortable with gay marriage but you think an economic argument sounds better than the one you've got tucked away in your subconscious, come out of your closet and admit that you just don't like gay marriage. Leave the dollar signs out of it.


Very interesting. :sneaky2::001_unsure:
 
Gay advocates have a proposition for Obama

Gay advocates have a proposition for Obama
Pressure is building on hot-button issues: same-sex marriage, lobbying for a gay Supreme Court justice and 'don't ask, don't tell.'
By Andrew Malcolm and Johanna Neuman
May 17, 2009
With more states enacting same-sex marriage laws, pressure is growing on President Obama to moderate his stance against gay marriage.

Advocates are urging him to appoint a gay man or woman to the Supreme Court to replace retiring Justice David H. Souter. Even if Obama does not name a gay justice, senators are likely to question the nominee about the hot-button issue during confirmation hearings, propelling it to the top of the political agenda this summer.


Two gay women are among the candidates being considered, according to the New York Times: Kathleen M. Sullivan and Pamela S. Karlan, both of Stanford Law School.

Already, Christian groups are lobbying against such a selection by organizing protests in Washington, where the District of Columbia City Council recently voted to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.

"That would be tantamount to opening the gate for the other side," Bishop Harry J. Jackson Jr. of the Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md., told the New York Times. "If [Obama] meant what he said about marriage, then I think he has got to stand up and be a president who acts on his beliefs."


Gay advocates are also working to persuade the Pentagon to repeal its Clinton-era "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

This month, national security advisor James L. Jones Jr., a retired four-star Marine general, said changing Pentagon policy on gays in the military would require not the flick of a light switch but "more of a rheostat." And he told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that this "complicated issue" needs to be "teed up appropriately and it will be discussed in the way the president does things, which is be very deliberative, very thoughtful, seeking out all sides on the issue."

The New York Times’ Sheryl Stolberg wrote recently that Obama has tread cautiously on these issues for fear of alienating some moderate and religious voters he courted during the campaign, including black preachers who form a core constituency.

But as writer David Mixner put it, gay activists are beginning to wonder, "How much longer do we give him the benefit of the doubt?"

Our guess is that Obama, a pragmatist, is waiting for consensus to build on the issue. After a meeting with gay rights organizations at the White House recently, Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese said, "They have a vision. They have a plan."

Cheney could be fishing, except . . .

For those who have been wondering why former Vice President Dick Cheney doesn't just go gently into the night -- or at least park himself at that undisclosed location for a while -- now comes the answer. Apparently he really cares.

Liz Cheney, the vice presidential daughter who got a plum job at the State Department during George W. Bush's administration, has taken to the airwaves to defend her father's rants. Ever since President Obama started initiating new policies -- closing the Guantanamo Bay military prison, ending harsh interrogation techniques -- Dick Cheney has made the oft-repeated and truly incendiary assertion that Obama's policies are making the country less safe from terrorism.

On Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Liz Cheney said her father would "rather be fishing in Wyoming" but felt compelled to tear down the Obama administration.

Her basic argument: Waterboarding was not only effective, it was legal, since the Bush administration had the legal documents that said so -- despite international conventions to the contrary.

Liz Cheney also accused the media of a double standard in criticizing her father over his outspoken views, noting that the media embraces former Vice President Al Gore when he speaks about global climate change.

"You want [Cheney] to shut up because you disagree with what he's saying," she told the Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson, whose column called Cheney "an Old Faithful of self-serving nonsense."

The Post's Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist also asked this question: Can't we send Dick Cheney back to Wyoming? Shouldn't we chip in and buy him a home where the buffalo roam and there's always room for one more crazy old coot down at the general store?

Others in key policy roles in the Bush administration -- former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, former CIA Director George Tenet, even former President George W. Bush -- have maintained a respectful silence during the recent debate over whether the "enhanced interrogation" methods they approved crossed the line into torture.

Not so Cheney, who has become a familiar face on the Sunday talk shows, spewing his critiques about the Obama administration, urging Republicans to recover politically by embracing the very Bush conservatism that cost them control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Asked about Cheney's recent comment that he would rather see the future of the Republican Party in the hands of conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh than the more centrist Colin L. Powell, former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman and former Secretary of state, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs called it "an illuminating answer."

The former vice president, Gibbs added, keeps floating ideas that "in many ways the last election was about and the last election rejected. They're essentially going forward by looking backward."

"If the vice president believes that's a way of growing and expanding the Republican Party, then we're happy to leave him to those devices."

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Neuman writes for The Times.

Read Top of the Ticket, The Times' blog on national politics with its blend of news, commentary and analysis, at latimes.com/ticket.
 
Gays, lesbians in worldwide call for end to homophobia
2 days ago

BRUSSELS (AFP) — Gays and lesbians raised a global rallying cry Sunday to end discrimination in a world where some countries punish homosexual acts with death, as they marked an international day against homophobia.

The European Union spoke out in defence of fundamental freedoms based on sexual orientation or gender identity and voiced concerns about human rights violations.

"The European Union rejects and condemns any manifestation of homophobia as this phenomenon is a blatant violation of human dignity," its Czech presidency said in a statement.

The 27-nation bloc condemned the use of the death penalty, torture and arbitrary arrest of homosexuals "wherever they occur," the statement said.

The global day against homophobia was marked in 50 countries, according to the Canadian organisers of the event.

In Russia, around 100 people peacefully demonstrated in Saint Petersburg, a day after the arrest of 40 gay activists who had staged an unauthorised "Slavic Gay Pride" march in Moscow.

"What happened in Moscow must not be ignored by the international community and by foreign governments.... Everyone saw how human rights and the rights of sexual minorities are violated in Russia," said Russian gay rights activist Nikolai Alexeyev, who was released from jail on Sunday.

The creator of the GayRussia.ru website claimed he had been interrogated for six hours by officials from agencies including the FSB security service -- the successor to the Soviet-era KGB -- before being left overnight in a cold jail cell with broken windows.

"They treated us very badly. Over six hours, great psychological pressure was put on me and I was insulted in every sort of way," Alexeyev told AFP by telephone after he was released and fined for attending an unlawful demonstration.

According to Quebec's Emergence Foundation, which initiated the global day against homophobia, Russia is among countries where there have been violent attacks on gays, lesbians and transgender people, especially in clashes with ultra nationalists. Homosexuality was a crime in Russia until 1993.

"There are 192 countries in the UN, and half of them ban homosexuality, notably most countries in Africa, in Asia and Arab countries," said the foundation's president Laurent McCutcheon.

Five countries punish homosexual acts with death, the foundation said.

In Beirut, the gay rights organisation Helem (Dream) has organised a conference to call for repealing a law that imposes a one-year prison sentence on those who practice homosexual relations deemed "contrary to nature."

Ghassan Mukarem, a leader in the organisation, said they have been trying to repeal the law since 2003, but instead the Lebanese authorities have been more rigorous in cracking down on homosexuality.

The British government Sunday declared its commitment to fight prejudice and discrimination against gays around the world.

"Last December the UK was pleased to support the first UN statement which called for the decriminalisation of same sex relations across the globe... supported by 66 countries," George Malloch-Brown, Foreign and Commonwealth Office minister, said in a statement.

"We call upon those states that still have legislative measures in place criminalising same sex relations to remove them," he added.

French anti-homophobia groups Sunday praised a health ministry decision a day earlier to no longer classify transexualism as a mental illness. Meanwhile in the eastern city of Nancy a memorial was unveiled for a gay man who drowned after he was pushed into the canal in 2003.

But two French policemen working in the southern coastal city of Cannes filed a complaint Sunday claiming they have suffered "mental harassment" by several colleagues because of their homosexuality.

McCutcheon said the anti-homophobia idea provides a rallying point for the world's supporters of gay and lesbian rights, and hoped one day it would be endorsed by the United Nations.

May 17 was chosen because it was on that date in 1990 that the World Health Organisation removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses.
(It sure took them long enough)


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I know i was watching the discussion on the abc .... was telling ray today about peters letter from his superannuation provider.


We got a leaflet in it with the new regulations for same sex couples.

the world is achanging lol


and we will seeeeeeeeeee it
 
I know i was watching the discussion on the abc .... was telling ray today about peters letter from his superannuation provider.


We got a leaflet in it with the new regulations for same sex couples.

the world is achanging lol


and we will seeeeeeeeeee it

Let's just keep the momentum going now.
 
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