Faux Debate: anyone watching?

[mikeyank]

Actually I think the majority of straight guys who come through here have had whatever negativity toward the idea of physical intimacy with another dude already moderated considerably before we ever see them in an episode. They wouldn't be hired in the first place if they couldn't do the work, and their debut with another boy will already have been photographed during rehearsal before Clay turns on his videocam.


I said not too long ago that there are too many easier ways to make more money than what they get paid by Blu for them not to have some kind of bisexual curiosity going down before they even apply for a modelship.

In post after post from David Adamson over the years we were finally brought to the realization that at the very least, at the very Least, the average dude who turns up on the couch has at some time wanted to find out what another guy's dick felt like: in his hand, mouth or butt.


For years on the forum we've been saying that we like to see "progression" in the boys' attitudes and performances. We said it enough, even to the point that it was bandied about in the pre-fuck banter in the episodes, that it became a mantra. The downside was that the individual performers couldn't carve out "gay" identities for themselves, straighties who bottomed better than they topped, or sucked a mean dick, or had an awesome pelvic thrust. Once we hit on the concept of "progression" we felt they all had to be run through the routine. Since according to the script they were all straight, and found the whole thing essentially repugnant anyway (so what the hell) it seemed reasonable to put them through the course from beginning to end (so to speak), the end being a colleague's stiffy in their backsides. It was like basic training rather than Freshmen year. During basic training you all have to do the same exercises; during Freshmen year to are urged to try stuff out and see what you like.

Slim, I agree with Stimpy that once again you have spoken a whole lot of sense in your post. I did try to highlight the major points that you made on this post.

1-The majority of guys to pass through this site, have an interest in man to man sex before they ever would apply to work here.

2-David did have a "core curriculum" that his brokies had to go through, from jerking oneself to jerking his partner, to getting sucked to sucking to fucking and finally to pass his finals with an A+, to take a dick in his backside, and the model students do it with a smile on their face.

As much as I love and respect David, for the fantastic work he has done, and I largely credit him with the success that this site has attained, I also disagree that this is a necessary progression. I can certainly enjoy a hot guy, with an engaging personality, and wonderful physical attributes, who is not comfortable, "going all the way", meaning getting fucked.

But I totally agree that the vast majority of guy's who we see on Broke Straight Boys are not Kinsey "0"'s, as there are hundreds or thousands of things that they would rather do to earn some shekels, than to appear on this site, as I conversely as a Kinsey "six" would have never in my younger days, considered having straight sex, no matter how desperate I was for cash.

 

[slimvintage]

Slim, I agree with Stimpy that once again you have spoken a whole lot of sense in your post. I did try to highlight the major points that you made on this post.

1-The majority of guys to pass through this site, have an interest in man to man sex before they ever would apply to work here.

2-David did have a "core curriculum" that his brokies had to go through, from jerking oneself to jerking his partner, to getting sucked to sucking to fucking and finally to pass his finals with an A+, to take a dick in his backside, and the model students do it with a smile on their face.

As much as I love and respect David, for the fantastic work he has done, and I largely credit him with the success that this site has attained, I also disagree that this is a necessary progression. I can certainly enjoy a hot guy, with an engaging personality, and wonderful physical attributes, who is not comfortable, "going all the way", meaning getting fucked.

But I totally agree that the vast majority of guy's who we see on Broke Straight Boys are not Kinsey "0"'s, as there are hundreds or thousands of things that they would rather do to earn some shekels, than to appear on this site, as I conversely as a Kinsey "six" would have never in my younger days, considered having straight sex, no matter how desperate I was for cash.

We agree. Seeing a hangdog brokie with a limp dick and a sheepish, pained expression on his face get fucked "just because" always bored, depressed and irritated me. A first class brokie, despite the mythology that informs the definition of this site, should have a stiffy while he's performing. If he can't get it up while he's being shafted then he should be excused from the shafting. After all the site, as has been said by several guys before, is a gay pornographic one--and limp willies during a sex scene aren't pornographic.

Both you guys are very kind to me re: that post. All I said about Colin was that words weren't of any use in trying to get to the essential boy. That's a cop out. Stimpy, you actually embarrassed me with your praise, given the pedestrian attempt I made to describe your fave brokie. BTW, I love you.

 

[cumrag27]

You said it, not me!

We agree. Seeing a hangdog brokie with a limp dick and a sheepish, pained expression on his face get fucked "just because" always bored, depressed and irritated me. A first class brokie, despite the mythology that informs the definition of this site, should have a stiffy while he's performing. If he can't get it up while he's being shafted then he should be excused from the shafting. After all the site, as has been said by several guys before, is a gay pornographic one--and limp willies during a sex scene aren't pornographic.

Both you guys are very kind to me re: that post. All I said about Colin was that words weren't of any use in trying to get to the essential boy. That's a cop out. Stimpy, you actually embarrassed me with your praise, given the pedestrian attempt I made to describe your fave brokie. BTW, I love you.

Dear Slim,

I still stand by my assessment of your closing statement about Colin, regardless of the embarrassment it may have caused you. Few things give me a bigger thrill than the thought of making someone, as sophisticated as you whom I respect, some several thousands of miles away blushing with embarrassment due to my heartfelt praise.

Getting analytical, I guess that is the dominance trait in my own personal makeup that, on the other hand, I find so very disturbing and offensive in Broke Straight Boys models with it leading up to aggressive law-of-the-jungle rough sex on site. I abhor all aspects of this and have consistently opposed "unnecessary roughness" with all newbies (or relative newbies), beginning with the incident concerning Santos about a year or more ago. Rather than sitting back passively, it ignites my "missile launch sequence" fuses developed by NASA. I simply cannot understand intentional violence for its own sake and don't want to understand having to place someone else in pain selfishly in order for the "brute" to get their rocks off. There is something very twisted in that outlook from my perspective. When I see twisted faces wincing in pain as a direct result of being impaled, with no concern, whatsoever, for the unfortunate victim, I see "RED" true to the Taurus that I am.

Old pros can do whatever they want and that does not concern me particularly. Its just the less experienced guys that really play on my heart-strings. I always gravitate to the victim's side and never the conqueror, while others have been systematically trained to applaud the all-powerful conqueror regardless of the methods used. Others view it simply as their favorite sports team scoring another touchdown any way they can get it. After all, they assume everybody loves a winner! Winning or being #1 is their whole reason for existence. They rationalize to be anything less is to be somehow "un-American"!

Sorry for my getting so wordy here. In short, you deserved what I said earlier, pure and simple. Enjoy the praise while you can! It doesn't grow on trees!

Sincerely,


Stimpy

 

[navelluver]

Hi slim. There were several things you said here that either came as something of a surprise to me or which I wonder about. You talk about easier ways to make money than this, and how it suggests to you that these guys might be bi-curious already. I have to admit that I used to think the same thing, but I wonder how true it is. I seem to recall these models were getting paid $1000 to $1500 dollars for a bottoming scene sometimes. I can't think of any single act job a person could do to make that much money. I can't really tell what these models are making now...whereas David used to "haggle" with the actors on camera, I rarely hear about what the models are getting anymore. If they are getting less, is that because the economy is crap, so they are more desperate, or because they have some latent bi-curiosity, so willing to accept less? Seems unclear to me.

You stated that David revealed that the average guy had some bi-curiousity, but I seem to recall many models saying they had never entertained such thoughts. Of course, this could all be posturing...I happen to believe that ALL guys, I don't care who it is, has THOUGHT about engaging in sex with another guy at some point, and perhaps even frequently. I think any guy who says they haven't thought about it is a liar--their safe because you just can't really prove it. i will say, though, that it seems to me straight guys are far more "opinionated" about homosexuals and homosexuality than homosexuals are about heterosexuals. I don't hear gays talking about straight sex practices in a derisive fashion, or simulating gay sex for laughs, etc. etc. That indicates to me that straight guys DO think about it--they tend to work themselves up into a lather over it, thus the need to posture to make everyone think they don't.

The main thing that got me was the idea that this issue of "model progression" has been discussed in the forum before. I've been talking about this for some time, and you are the only person who has indicated it has been brought up before. You said it was mentioned in the "pre-fuck banter," and you attributed it to forum discussions, but I had always seen this simply as consequence of David's view of the site and his consequent direction, and not as some drive on the part of the members. While your description of the "routine" sounds less-than-appealing, I have to say that the routine was not the interesting part to me. I was fascinated by how the players reacted to the routine. Were they so weirded out that they never returned? Did they let a "oh yeah!" slip out? Did they reluctantly state at the end that it wasn't as bad as they thought? Did they indicate that they actually liked it? For me, this is/was the exciting part. The routine was simply a means to that end, whatever it might be. The one thing I dislike about this format is that not enough time is devoted to getting the model's perspective on what HAPPENED. There is often a lot of talk up front, but I want to know what they are thinking afterwards. David did a bit of this, but not enough. It doesn't seem to happen at all now.

 

[tampa24]

I have to say that the routine was not the interesting part to me. I was fascinated by how the players reacted to the routine. Were they so weirded out that they never returned? Did they let a "oh yeah!" slip out? Did they reluctantly state at the end that it wasn't as bad as they thought? Did they indicate that they actually liked it? For me, this is/was the exciting part. The routine was simply a means to that end, whatever it might be. The one thing I dislike about this format is that not enough time is devoted to getting the model's perspective on what HAPPENED. There is often a lot of talk up front, but I want to know what they are thinking afterwards. David did a bit of this, but not enough. It doesn't seem to happen at all now.

That's a good point Navelluver. I wouldn't mind getting a minute or two of feedback from the models at the end of the scene as to how they felt about doing the various acts. Enjoyable? Hated it? Liked it better/less than thought they would? What gay sex act did they find the most enjoyable/least enjoyable for them personally? And why? That sort of thing. This could even be asked of some returning models at the beginning of a new scene.

 

[slimvintage]

The mind boggles when you thinnk of some of the stuff they MIGHT say...

That's a good point Navelluver. I wouldn't mind getting a minute or two of feedback from the models at the end of the scene as to how they felt about doing the various acts. Enjoyable? Hated it? Liked it better/less than thought they would? What gay sex act did they find the most enjoyable/least enjoyable for them personally? And why? That sort of thing. This could even be asked of some returning models at the beginning of a new scene.

tampa, navel, partly because of Rob and his daddy and Colin and his wifey are we seducing ourselves back into the proposition (as we occasionally have done over the years) that what we hear and read from the models is actually autobiographical? We've been slipped the old caveat so many times in the past ("...guys be careful not to get too involved in the stories; remember that this is just fantasy; the models may use details from their real lives that are actually true but not always and not all that much...").

This may have changed in the last year or so since there's been more "permeation" between client and performer at the events, with a small number of members actually having talked with the guys.

But whether or not they would actually want to say what the sex meant to them, or felt like to them physically and emotionally (especially at the end of a fuck scene during the lilting "It's All About the Money" stinger-moment), I doubt. It would be really excellent though: someone as articulate as Logan telling about how the hardest part is keeping from falling in love. Or Tyler saying that the bitch only gets up off a piece of ass for him on cam but when he goes around to his place with a sixpack of Tuborg in the evening there's nothing doing.

Over to you guys.

 

[slimvintage]

Hi slim. There were several things you said here that either came as something of a surprise to me or which I wonder about. You talk about easier ways to make money than this, and how it suggests to you that these guys might be bi-curious already. I have to admit that I used to think the same thing, but I wonder how true it is. I seem to recall these models were getting paid $1000 to $1500 dollars for a bottoming scene sometimes. I can't think of any single act job a person could do to make that much money. I can't really tell what these models are making now...whereas David used to "haggle" with the actors on camera, I rarely hear about what the models are getting anymore. If they are getting less, is that because the economy is crap, so they are more desperate, or because they have some latent bi-curiosity, so willing to accept less? Seems unclear to me. Over the years it's become known that they get a flat fee for a trip to Florida, their flights and meals paid for and accommodation arranged if necessary. During this time they are expected to do three or I think sometimes four scenes with other guys who are flying in at the same time. The remuneration may have changed up or down with the present economic situation, but I think I remember that they got about $2400 for the trip. The haggling is absolutely fake. Imagine the internecine off set chaos, the shouting matches, not to say pushing and shoving, if one of them dickered for more and got it.

You stated that David revealed that the average guy had some bi-curiousity, but I seem to recall many models saying they had never entertained such thoughts. Of course, this could all be posturing...I happen to believe that ALL guys, I don't care who it is, has THOUGHT about engaging in sex with another guy at some point, and perhaps even frequently. I think any guy who says they haven't thought about it is a liar--their safe because you just can't really prove it. i will say, though, that it seems to me straight guys are far more "opinionated" about homosexuals and homosexuality than homosexuals are about heterosexuals. I don't hear gays talking about straight sex practices in a derisive fashion, or simulating gay sex for laughs, etc. etc. That indicates to me that straight guys DO think about it--they tend to work themselves up into a lather over it, thus the need to posture to make everyone think they don't. I honestly don't think they would be here if they weren't open to sex with guys. It's so obvious to anyone who isn't carried away by the sensation of his trusty hand on his stiffy while watching an episode, that lots of these kids know what they're doing. You get typical comments to that effect from forumite cynics afterwards, when a model learns to deepthroat in 32 seconds, or a virgin reaches round to help get the other boy's dick in his ass with a deftness and precision that you wouldn't find in someone who hadn't done it before. One of the g4p film industry's resources for amateur straighties (although not in the case of this site) is the escort universe for example, or the world of gogo or table dancers.

The main thing that got me was the idea that this issue of "model progression" has been discussed in the forum before. I've been talking about this for some time, and you are the only person who has indicated it has been brought up before. You said it was mentioned in the "pre-fuck banter," and you attributed it to forum discussions, but I had always seen this simply as consequence of David's view of the site and his consequent direction, and not as some drive on the part of the members. While your description of the "routine" sounds less-than-appealing, I have to say that the routine was not the interesting part to me. I was fascinated by how the players reacted to the routine. Were they so weirded out that they never returned? Did they let a "oh yeah!" slip out? Did they reluctantly state at the end that it wasn't as bad as they thought? Did they indicate that they actually liked it? For me, this is/was the exciting part. The routine was simply a means to that end, whatever it might be. The one thing I dislike about this format is that not enough time is devoted to getting the model's perspective on what HAPPENED. There is often a lot of talk up front, but I want to know what they are thinking afterwards. David did a bit of this, but not enough. It doesn't seem to happen at all now. The Progression Thing goes way back. I think I called it Evolution. It had to do with the "routine" but also to a perceived coming to terms with the whole messy business of two guys having sex. Sometimes there was a sort of subliminal "back to school" vibe that was really cute. I think they like to do this. They make a couple of thou, they get their flight paid for (that's cool just in itself), they get feedback on the forum and feel like stars, they get to see each other after having flipped burgers or gone to class or mixed cement or delivered pizzas or played gigs in the meantime. They get to show what they can do and tell a few lies, say one or two things that are actually true, have a couple of dinners and a bunch of beers, and get flown back home. Cool.

 

[navelluver]

Oh man, slim...now I don't have much interest in this anymore.
If it truly is just an act, it doesn't do much for me. I find myself comparing this site to something like Corbin Fisher. I find the guys at Corbin Fisher much hotter in general, the cinematography is of higher quality, and the format of the action appeals to me more. Also, since many of those guys appear on both the hetero and homosexual sites, I figured they were primarily bi, or perhaps they really were straight and originally appeared on the hetero side but were enticed over time to appear on the other side. But those guys never seemed desperate, and there has never been an episode where anyone appeared to not enjoy what was going on. The things that had me hooked to Broke Straight Boys were the idea that these guys really were just desperate for money, would do just about anything to get some, and in the process would come to realize what they were doing really wasn't so bad and possibly enjoyable. If they're old hats at this, I don't see a point to it.

Hmmm....

 

[mikeyank]

Oh man, slim...now I don't have much interest in this anymore.
If it truly is just an act, it doesn't do much for me. I find myself comparing this site to something like Corbin Fisher. I find the guys at Corbin Fisher much hotter in general, the cinematography is of higher quality, and the format of the action appeals to me more. Also, since many of those guys appear on both the hetero and homosexual sites, I figured they were primarily bi, or perhaps they really were straight and originally appeared on the hetero side but were enticed over time to appear on the other side. But those guys never seemed desperate, and there has never been an episode where anyone appeared to not enjoy what was going on. The things that had me hooked to Broke Straight Boys were the idea that these guys really were just desperate for money, would do just about anything to get some, and in the process would come to realize what they were doing really wasn't so bad and possibly enjoyable. If they're old hats at this, I don't see a point to it.

Hmmm....

Apparently, not all member's of the forum have the same basic understanding of this site that Slim, Tampa, Abe, Ms. K and other long time forumites have. No. This is not a reality site, at all. These are not all "real" straight guys, who are desperate for money, and have somehow found their way into either David or Clay's studio to make a quick buck. The stories they tell us in their opening scenes are not all "the truth, and nothing but the truth".

Jimmy did not really first meet Clay walking across a bridge in a park, and Clay just happened to have a video camera with him. And Jamie was not really a homeless dude living under a bridge. And I forget some of the other introductory stories that go with each model on Broke Straight Boys 2, but we had a pool cleaner in Clay's building or was it a window washer or both. And one of the models was trying to sell Clay some stolen goods, which upset some of the more naive forumites who buy the scenarios "hook line and sinker", as gospel.

And as Slim pointed out, this had gone on with David, as well. David's first encounter with Tyler was not really at the car show, where David had his video camera, and introduced himself, and the rest is history. Not exactly............What you see is not necessarily what we get.

And I never bought into the amount of money that David offered the models, as being the real amount they were being paid. David explained many times that the models were flown into Fort Lauderdale, and were housed and fed, with he and Eddie for a period of five days or so, where they shot either three or four scenes, and I'm sure there was a contract signed in advance, and the amounts bantered around on set, were fictitious. No, I don't believe that Mike Robbins agreed to give his pay check for a scene to his buddy Josh to repay him for the accident that destroyed his vehicle, etc. etc.

I do believe that many of the models, (not all) are basically straight in their minds, but have an open mind or a sexual curiosity that brings them to the set. Some are experienced porn performers like Mick or Rocco, and that is a bit of a disappointment to me, but there is a place for the experienced gay porn performers, like Porn Shane from Broke Straight Boys 1, and Jason who has appeared in both versions of the site, and is also a very effective performer to create a "sizzling" sex scene with a less experienced partner.

And they also do bring in the occasional truly straight guy like Jimmy, and perhaps our newest Broke Straight Boys Cliff, but time will tell with Cliff. I understand that truly 100% straight guys will not flock to Broke Straight Boys to earn some money, just as a truly 100% gay guy would not want to or be capable of performing in a straight porno scene.

I enjoy the fantasy of straight guys having gay sex, and this site comes closer than anything else I have found on the net, to satisfying my interest.

If this shatters some folk's illusions, I am sorry, but there is no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus is not real and the Tooth Fairy does not really put money under little kid's pillows at night either. But I still love this site .

 

[Ms. Kianna]

Apparently, not all member's of the forum have the same basic understanding of this site that Slim, Tampa, Abe, Ms. K and other long time forumites have. No. This is not a reality site, at all. These are not all "real" straight guys, who are desperate for money, and have somehow found their way into either David or Clay's studio to make a quick buck. The stories they tell us in their opening scenes are not all "the truth, and nothing but the truth".

Jimmy did not really first meet Clay walking across a bridge in a park, and Clay just happened to have a video camera with him. And Jamie was not really a homeless dude living under a bridge. And I forget some of the other introductory stories that go with each model on Broke Straight Boys 2, but we had a pool cleaner in Clay's building or was it a window washer or both. And one of the models was trying to sell Clay some stolen goods, which upset some of the more naive forumites who buy the scenarios "hook line and sinker", as gospel.

And as Slim pointed out, this had gone on with David, as well. David's first encounter with Tyler was not really at the car show, where David had his video camera, and introduced himself, and the rest is history. Not exactly............What you see is not necessarily what we get.

And I never bought into the amount of money that David offered the models, as being the real amount they were being paid. David explained many times that the models were flown into Fort Lauderdale, and were housed and fed, with he and Eddie for a period of five days or so, where they shot either three or four scenes, and I'm sure there was a contract signed in advance, and the amounts bantered around on set, were fictitious. No, I don't believe that Mike Robbins agreed to give his pay check for a scene to his buddy Josh to repay him for the accident that destroyed his vehicle, etc. etc.

I do believe that many of the models, (not all) are basically straight in their minds, but have an open mind or a sexual curiosity that brings them to the set. Some are experienced porn performers like Mick or Rocco, and that is a bit of a disappointment to me, but there is a place for the experienced gay porn performers, like Porn Shane from Broke Straight Boys 1, and Jason who has appeared in both versions of the site, and is also a very effective performer to create a "sizzling" sex scene with a less experienced partner.

And they also do bring in the occasional truly straight guy like Jimmy, and perhaps our newest Broke Straight Boys Cliff, but time will tell with Cliff. I understand that truly 100% straight guys will not flock to Broke Straight Boys to earn some money, just as a truly 100% gay guy would not want to or be capable of performing in a straight porno scene.

I enjoy the fantasy of straight guys having gay sex, and this site comes closer than anything else I have found on the net, to satisfying my interest.

If this shatters some folk's illusions, I am sorry, but there is no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus is not real and the Tooth Fairy does not really put money under little kid's pillows at night either. But I still love this site .

Bite your tongue Mikey! These are all real and frequent visitors at my house. So if I have to believe the Broke Straight Boys guys are really straight to be able to believe in Santa....................then they are all straight as a board, and they make next to nothing to do these scenes too.

 

[mikeyank]

Bite your tongue Mikey! These are all real and frequent visitors at my house. So if I have to believe the Broke Straight Boys guys are really straight to be able to believe in Santa....................then they are all straight as a board, and they make next to nothing to do these scenes too.

In that case, I stand corrected. I never doubt the wisdom of the 'voice of reason' of the Broke Straight Boys forum, the intelligent and lovely Ms. K.

 

[cumrag27]

Shattered Myths exposed

Dearest Mikeyank and Ms. Kianna,

As a true believer myself, I too have the tooth fairy over occasionally but I won't explain exactly what goes on when he visits, other than explain his visits are less frequent now, but he allways admits I give the best bj he has ever had. As for Santa, he and I both love nothing more than cookies and milk left thoughtfully by the fire place, but don't be confused by his thick white mustache. Then in the Spring when the Easter Bunny cums, all I can say is that rascal's hindlegs really kick when I pull him up by his ears. He frequently outstays his welcum.

Please don't allow this be the source of more desention on the forum. Things have finally gotten a little calmer. Beating a dead horse won't bring him back. I 've tried already and his smile won't go away either!

Where is the Horse Whisperer when you really need one!


Sincerely,


Stimpy

 

[navelluver]

Please don't allow this be the source of more desention on the forum. Things have finally gotten a little calmer.

I'd just like to say one last thing, and then I will be leaving. Part of the reason for the dissension is that there IS a bit of a "put off" approach to many of the comments made here towards people considered to be "newbies." It's as if everyone is expected to have the same level of "understanding" about what is going on, and there is a sense of disgust relayed by some when a newbie comes in and starts making comments that others feel shouldn't be made because of some understanding a more senior person came to long ago. There is also a somewhat annoying penchant for people to not actually engage in a discussion...it's as if the more senior members have decided that what this forum will be is a vehicle for them to give each other constant pats on the back for something they said to another person without actually talking to that person.

OK, I get it. I apologize for intruding on this, and I apologize for daring to suggest that this site is something more than it is. I would like to thank slim, in particular, for actually engaging in a conversation WITH ME to give me his perspective on the issue. I thank tampa for doing the same.

I will leave you guys to continue with your fantasy. I'm afraid it doesn't do anything for me.

 

[slimvintage]

I'd just like to say one last thing, and then I will be leaving. Part of the reason for the dissension is that there IS a bit of a "put off" approach to many of the comments made here towards people considered to be "newbies." It's as if everyone is expected to have the same level of "understanding" about what is going on, and there is a sense of disgust relayed by some when a newbie comes in and starts making comments that others feel shouldn't be made because of some understanding a more senior person came to long ago. There is also a somewhat annoying penchant for people to not actually engage in a discussion...it's as if the more senior members have decided that what this forum will be is a vehicle for them to give each other constant pats on the back for something they said to another person without actually talking to that person.

OK, I get it. I apologize for intruding on this, and I apologize for daring to suggest that this site is something more than it is. I would like to thank slim, in particular, for actually engaging in a conversation WITH ME to give me his perspective on the issue. I thank tampa for doing the same.

I will leave you guys to continue with your fantasy. I'm afraid it doesn't do anything for me.

The thanks should all go to you man: you have a terrific outside-the-box mentality and your take on everything your eye alights upon is fresh and creative. I'm beggin' ya not to drop out of any discussions. We still have a belly button chat to finish that never got started properly for example, don't forget that.

(This thread, that started as a bored blog about one of the GOP debates, has been a terrific example of "evolution" or "progression" having morphed into something very unlike. How I loves me some chaos.)

 

[mikeyank]

The thanks should all go to you man: you have a terrific outside-the-box mentality and your take on everything your eye alights upon is fresh and creative. I'm beggin' ya not to drop out of any discussions. We still have a belly button chat to finish that never got started properly for example, don't forget that.

(This thread, that started as a bored blog about one of the GOP debates, has been a terrific example of "evolution" or "progression" having morphed into something very unlike. How I loves me some chaos.)

I agree with Slim, Navelluver. I enjoy reading opinions that may differ from the usual crowd. I love new blood and fresh ideas here. Please reconsider, and stick with the debate, discussion and this forum. I really like having you here, dude.

 

[tampa24]

I agree with Slim, Navelluver. I enjoy reading opinions that may differ from the usual crowd. I love new blood and fresh ideas here. Please reconsider, and stick with the debate, discussion and this forum. I really like having you here, dude.

Agreed, Navelluver.

 

[angelone]

Well, well, well welcome to capitalism in progress! If there's a market - that's us horny queers - then there are ways to satisfy our desires even if it means an occasional makeup or lie. You heard the phrase: Charge what the market can bear. Well, how much of a lie can we bear before we stop watching Broke Straight Boys? Can you over-look the obvious lie or deception? There's just enough grain of truth to keep us glued to our monitors and working our plams. Heck, I know not everything I see and hear is real; but why rock the boat, just go with the flow and fantasize about that big banana going down your throat or even better up your ass. Heaven!

 

[angelone]

So what's new under the sun? Hate, war, fear and bigotry sells. And Faux News has used these topics to very effectively to spread confusion and suspicion around the world.