joninliverton
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Good onya babes. Your boys will feel much better for it. BTW how old are they now ?
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Cut or Uncut, That is the Question?
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Good onya babes. Your boys will feel much better for it. BTW how old are they now ?
JLipps4u
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Valentine,
Now you see how a blanket statement can be wrong and offensive? I apologize.
I have come to appreciate what a learned person you are, and I don't honestly believe that , you don't know anything. Obviously you know a lot. I was just making a blanket response without having all the facts. I don't know what your experience was really all about. How old were those infants being mutilated? What were they using to do the procedure with? Garden shears? I don't know, I was not an eye witness.
I do know this. I have witnessed many circumcisions of newborns. And, I stick lancets and needles in newborns for a living. They cry all the way up to the heavens when we are working on them. But it is not out of pain. Anyone who knows and works with newborns knows that they cry because they do not like being held in the positions we hold them to work on them. Newborns want to just swaddle and be warm. Also, the blade that is used is so sharp, you could slice a finger off and not feel it till afterwards. And finally, that is not to say that there aren't butchers out there that call themselves surgeons, who probably do inflict pain and do mutilate individuals. I am sorry for those folks.
Circumcisions are performed on babies within 2 or 3 days of birth because of the lack of sensory development. Those done later in life? I caN't speak for those, but I have had adult friends who have elected to be cut, and they all report that you don't feel a thing. Of course you don't feel it, you have to be put to sleep to haves it done.
I think cut is prettier and cleaner, but that is just my bias, based on my experience. Would I choose to be circumcised now, as an adult? Hell no! But then I would not do a tummy tuck, or face lift, or any type of cosmetic surgery either!
Now you see how a blanket statement can be wrong and offensive? I apologize.
I have come to appreciate what a learned person you are, and I don't honestly believe that , you don't know anything. Obviously you know a lot. I was just making a blanket response without having all the facts. I don't know what your experience was really all about. How old were those infants being mutilated? What were they using to do the procedure with? Garden shears? I don't know, I was not an eye witness.
I do know this. I have witnessed many circumcisions of newborns. And, I stick lancets and needles in newborns for a living. They cry all the way up to the heavens when we are working on them. But it is not out of pain. Anyone who knows and works with newborns knows that they cry because they do not like being held in the positions we hold them to work on them. Newborns want to just swaddle and be warm. Also, the blade that is used is so sharp, you could slice a finger off and not feel it till afterwards. And finally, that is not to say that there aren't butchers out there that call themselves surgeons, who probably do inflict pain and do mutilate individuals. I am sorry for those folks.
Circumcisions are performed on babies within 2 or 3 days of birth because of the lack of sensory development. Those done later in life? I caN't speak for those, but I have had adult friends who have elected to be cut, and they all report that you don't feel a thing. Of course you don't feel it, you have to be put to sleep to haves it done.
I think cut is prettier and cleaner, but that is just my bias, based on my experience. Would I choose to be circumcised now, as an adult? Hell no! But then I would not do a tummy tuck, or face lift, or any type of cosmetic surgery either!
chase3398
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I really want to add my thoughts to this thread. I think that in the US, it is probably more comfortable for men to be 'like' each other when exposed. However, over many years, I have tried to make a point , one way or another, of bringing the conversation of circumcision up with the men I have been with. I have found that most wish that they had at least had the option of making a choice. But, for many it seems to be a very uncomfortable subject. This applies especially to those who have had less than a nicely performed cut. Some I have met were butchered and they will sometimes compare their appearance to those who had the procedure done by someone who really knew how to do it properly. I feel that "to be like Dad" is a very lame excuse and that routine circumcision is thoughtless by parents who simply go with the flow. Most US doctors today were circumcised and find it pretty profitable to invest only a few minutes for a few hundred bucks. I once had a conversation with a doctor who (after a few drinks) admitted to applying pressure to parents simply because it was a quick and easy way to make a couple hundred dollars. However, there are legitimate reasons, even though quite rare, where it is necessary to perform the surgery. I do, however, fully support the idea if it is part of one's religion. I remember while growing up, the first thing that came to mind when I met a guy was..is he cut or not. Learning the truth was always an exciting moment for me regardless of their status. As I got older, I began to simply assume that everyone I met had been snipped and that finding a natural penis was, indeed, a rare find. Personally, I wish that it was not as common as it has been. The rate in the US got as high as the mid 90 percentile bracket. Recent studies now put it in the mid 50s. Some of this change has to do with cultural changes, insurance coverage or changes in attitudes. I believe that the US is the only country in the world that has such a high rate of circumcision for non-religious reasons. AS for preference, I like the natural look. Another thing I find interesting is that we are a nation consumed with appearances and go to great lengths to rid ourselves of scars or other things we feel distract from our appearance. Yet, all you have to do is look at this or any adult site and you see some pretty ugly scars that are there for life. Hopefully this somewhat routine procedure will become less and less common. It is one that has been going on for much of recorded time but not routinely in the US until WWII when the US military began cutting recruits. I had a older friend who was told the day of his Navy physical that he would be circumcised upon enlistment in spite of the fact that he had never experienced any problems with his uncut status. By the time I joined the military, views had changed greatly. But by then, it had become part of our culture. There are some very interesting statistics if you search the web regarding circumcision around the world. I respect individual preferences and know that this debate will continue for a long time. However, circumcision done simply because "everyone does it" is, in my view, wrong.
They are 13 and 16, Jon! Holy cow! The testosterone in my house makes me crazy sometimes!
joninliverton
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Are they dressing to the left or the right LOL xx
joninliverton
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You should know by now with the 16yo olo. Is he using your Broke Straight Boys logins lol.. I cant stand boxers tbh, far too lose and unsexy.
While I have to admit bias in this debate, I absolutely oppose circumcision forced on our infant boys, but possibly not for the same reasons many of you have. If proper hygene is done, then there are not really any benefits to circumcission. Also, there can be complications. Now I know that these are probably the exception and not the rule, but why take the chance. I suffered complications as a result of infant circumcission and had to spend some money and a lot of time doing foreskin reconstruction to correct for painful, tight erections. I don't have that problem now that I have done the restoration, but it wasn't necessary for them to do this to me in the first place. Unless it is medically necessary for whatever reason, don't risk it. It just isn't worth the risk of complications.
Amen! All operations carry risk. Boys do get accidentally deformed sometimes.
"Prosecutors are investigating the death of a newborn boy who died in September after contracting herpes through a controversial practice of ritual circumcision, reviving a debate in New York over safety and religious freedom."
read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/nyregion/infants-death-renews-debate-over-a-circumcision-ritual.html?_r=0
"Prosecutors are investigating the death of a newborn boy who died in September after contracting herpes through a controversial practice of ritual circumcision, reviving a debate in New York over safety and religious freedom."
read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/nyregion/infants-death-renews-debate-over-a-circumcision-ritual.html?_r=0
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Very interesting topic of discussion Ive stumbled upon. If I had an opinion, I think id cast my vote for uncut. Theres something unique and exotic about it. Its the way the body was designed and i feel it adds character. I dont think however, there is going to be a large uprise in circumcisions. I feel society has become accustomed to the current practice and wont execute the change
Although I could certainly be wrong, but I thought there was some partial medical reasoning behind it in regards to potential hygene complications. I know the primary thing behind it is religious ... but I think the religious aspect has some medical roots in its conception
I have mentioned this before but I did not have my boys circumcised at birth as is standard in this country. There is no medical evidence to support having this procedure in today's world. My hope is that they enjoy healthy, satisfying sex lives. I am aware that while choosing not to circumcise is becoming more common, that my boys will still be in a minority here. I have female friends who circumcised their kids so their boys looked like dad. And further, because they think uncut men are icky. We have a long way to go, stigma-wise. I hope my boys are embraced for their natural state, and don't suffer from outdated stigma.
Because uncut men are still a minority in the country the boys are still bound to encounter the odd stares now and then in locker room settings and so on. Hopefully potential sexual partners will not recoil out of shock or lack of understanding of basic human biology. Even for me as a child I didn't know why uncut men's penises looked so strange. I didn't know what was "wrong" with them when I was a kid. I must admit that for most of my life I thought that uncircumcised penises were quite ugly. Also if I can't see the head of the penis at all, I just don't find it as aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. Sadly enough, it's only been in middle adulthood that I have come to appreciate uncut men as attractive. But now I do!
I had a couple really bad experiences with uncut men when I lived in Europe as a college student. Mainly this was because if the hygiene wasn't good, the penis would smell absolutely horrible. At worst it can take your breath away and leave you gagging and nauseated.
While this kind of conversation would best be left to your husband...I hope he has or will talk to them of the importance of retracting the foreskin in the shower and cleaning underneath. Also many uncut men tend to go the lazy route and not retract the foreskin when they urinate. So one can only imagine that if they are leaving droplets of urine trapped under there, along with perspiration and normal daily body odor, and then not cleaning it properly underneath in the shower....not nice.
If the man's hygiene is good then his partners will be much happier, their sex lives more enjoyable and the emotional relationship overall can only benefit from a mutually satisfying sex life.
For those who think I'm hating on uncut men or that I think cut men have a monopoly on hygiene and always smell like roses down there....NOT!! haha
GmslbeachXXX
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I prefer UNCUT men! I wish I had that extra bit of skin to play with! I am considering Foreskin Restoration to make up for what was taken away from me before I had a chance to say NO, NO, NO, Please don't do that to me!
joninliverton
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What a good and sensible mother you are xx
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I'm sure with the open mindedness of the kids today, your boys will be the envy of all the girls (and some of the boys too).
joninliverton
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One can say that about christening ?
That is so true of so many things. As parents, we can only hope that the choices we make for our kids are ones they would make for themselves. Religion, politics and health care are areas where a parent's decisions can make or break a kid. Do no harm. Always keep an open mind, and listen to what they have to say. Kids are smart and know what feels right for themselves and what doesn't. If we don't respect them, we can't expect them to respect us.
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