vicekid
Well-known Member
I have been very quiet up to this point. I wanted to see how the new Broke Straight Boys was before making any rash comments. I have read the many posts and threads, positive and negative, constructive and non-constructive. So I felt it was time to look at this from another point-of-view. So here goes it.
Taking up what Raysvq had mentioned in one of his posts I examined the first 10 episodes of BSB1 & BSB2 to see how they rated. Here is what I came up with:
BSB1 had 4 solos that averaging a - 3.7
BSB2 had 3 solos that averaging a - 3.2
BSB1 had 2 oral scenes averaging - 4.2
BSB2 had 3 oral scenes averaging - 3.0
BSB1 had 0 hand job scenes.
BSB2 had 2 averaging - 2.4
BSB1 had 4 oral/fuck scenes averaging - 4.4 (note: all 4 scored 4.4)
BSB2 had 2 oral/fuck scenes averaging - 3.9
BSB1 first 10 scenes overall rating - 4.0
BSB2 first 10 scenes overall rating - 3.1
Granted that these first 10 scenes are still in a state of flu going up/down since I've done my #'s. But I doubt it would be more that a .1 or .2 difference.
So the question is why such a significant difference in scoring? So lets look at what could cause this?
First, lets briefly review how did this concept begin? I'm not sure we were ever told how it started but either David and D/E Productions had the idea or Mark and Blue Media had the idea and somehow they got together to make this happen in 2006. The concept being that somehow using money, straight boys would do Gay sex. I'll stop here for the moment and state that no one can guarantee each and every boy is 100% straight. And know non gays were identified and used for the purpose of getting the straight boys to do gay sex. Money was used as a motivator to get the Straight boys to do more. And that is the premise of the site.
So with that in mind David started to film BSB1. At the time there was no forum. (That came 2 1/2 years later). There was no rating system. He was mostly on his own. Yes some individuals did contact him and give advice but that was far less that today's forum input. David (and Eddie) screened and chose the models. I guess you can say those were advantages that David initially enjoyed. David was not perfect. There were times as the backseat Director why he did not do this or that. I wanted to yell at the screen offer more and you'll get it. No matter it resulted in the site, Broke Straight Boys, being awarded new site of the year.
So what did the new Director, Clay, have going for him in BSB2? He had a highly rated and popular site. He had over 500 videos that he could use as a guide to what did and did not work. He had feedback from the forum (assuming he was on it, even if just to read and not comment). He had Mark's full support. I am sure he had opportunities to make some changes to fit both his style and to improve upon the product he would be taking over.
What did Clay have going against him? He had a 6 year well established program and a Director well like and respected (for the most part). He would have to face rating and forum input immediately with his first video. He would have to face Mark's expectation which Mark on several occasions stating that BSB2 would have Hotter guys and new surroundings. Mark actually build up the new site to rate a 12 on a scale of 10 and all of us were foaming at the mouth waiting to see this.
So, what went wrong. And these are my opinions and mine alone.
1. The Hot guys (12 on a scale of 10) just did not happen. Keep in mind ratings need not be 100% on physicality but also on personality. AS to what is a "HOT GUY", there are over 3,000 members which more than likely equals 5,000 types of HOT GUYS. We will all NEVER agree as to what is "HOT". But collectively by the scores this could be the #1 factor. So far, overall there is no comparison 10 episodes to 10 episodes.
Scorpio, I love you to death, but the fact that many no-forum members are saying great things about BSB2 may be true, but why is that not being reflected in the ratings????? We can agree to disagree here.
2. Mark set an expectation that was so high that perhaps no Director (even David?) could have met. I truly think we all expected something that would knock us off our feet. And when we did not get it immediately, the bubble quickly burst.
3. Some of the models just don't seem to have the right attitude and seem hostile to the whole idea of what they are doing. Granted, BSB1 had some like that too, but you did not have them showing up in the first 10 episodes.
4. The flashing of the money in photos and the vids is just cheap and dirty, but down the line this is being corrected.
5. The foot fetish. Granted BSB1 had the Fleshlight (but it did have oral to go with it. And it still was one of the lowest episodes of Broke Straight Boys! but almost a point higher vs. foot fetish).
These are the reason why BSB2 is off to a difficult start. I do like the new director and he is doing a very decent job and paying attention to detail (move into the light, etc.).
Is it time to jump ship. I don't think so. Keep in mind that there could be up to two months of vids ready to show, so the changes are perhaps that far away. BSB1 had the same challenges when we went crazy with our comments. Perhaps Mark can move up some of the newer shoots so we can get a preview of what changes have been implemented.
I was very disappointed with the first 10 episodes. Had this been the first 10 for BSB1, I might not have joined. I will always remember the short clips of Chris and Alex, Jamie and Aiden, and Taz that caught my eye and made me WANT to join.
Mark, you have put together a great package and Broke Straight Boys should be the #1 seller. They say if it ain't broke why fix it? Perhaps going back to what was successful would change moral and then slowly branch off to try something different (none of us are oppose to change for change sake, but mix it up).
Rome was not built in a Day. Nor was BSB1 and BSB2. But the clock is running on BSB2, the potential is always there, so as Captain Picard would say.
MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Live Long and Prosper,
Vicekid
Taking up what Raysvq had mentioned in one of his posts I examined the first 10 episodes of BSB1 & BSB2 to see how they rated. Here is what I came up with:
BSB1 had 4 solos that averaging a - 3.7
BSB2 had 3 solos that averaging a - 3.2
BSB1 had 2 oral scenes averaging - 4.2
BSB2 had 3 oral scenes averaging - 3.0
BSB1 had 0 hand job scenes.
BSB2 had 2 averaging - 2.4
BSB1 had 4 oral/fuck scenes averaging - 4.4 (note: all 4 scored 4.4)
BSB2 had 2 oral/fuck scenes averaging - 3.9
BSB1 first 10 scenes overall rating - 4.0
BSB2 first 10 scenes overall rating - 3.1
Granted that these first 10 scenes are still in a state of flu going up/down since I've done my #'s. But I doubt it would be more that a .1 or .2 difference.
So the question is why such a significant difference in scoring? So lets look at what could cause this?
First, lets briefly review how did this concept begin? I'm not sure we were ever told how it started but either David and D/E Productions had the idea or Mark and Blue Media had the idea and somehow they got together to make this happen in 2006. The concept being that somehow using money, straight boys would do Gay sex. I'll stop here for the moment and state that no one can guarantee each and every boy is 100% straight. And know non gays were identified and used for the purpose of getting the straight boys to do gay sex. Money was used as a motivator to get the Straight boys to do more. And that is the premise of the site.
So with that in mind David started to film BSB1. At the time there was no forum. (That came 2 1/2 years later). There was no rating system. He was mostly on his own. Yes some individuals did contact him and give advice but that was far less that today's forum input. David (and Eddie) screened and chose the models. I guess you can say those were advantages that David initially enjoyed. David was not perfect. There were times as the backseat Director why he did not do this or that. I wanted to yell at the screen offer more and you'll get it. No matter it resulted in the site, Broke Straight Boys, being awarded new site of the year.
So what did the new Director, Clay, have going for him in BSB2? He had a highly rated and popular site. He had over 500 videos that he could use as a guide to what did and did not work. He had feedback from the forum (assuming he was on it, even if just to read and not comment). He had Mark's full support. I am sure he had opportunities to make some changes to fit both his style and to improve upon the product he would be taking over.
What did Clay have going against him? He had a 6 year well established program and a Director well like and respected (for the most part). He would have to face rating and forum input immediately with his first video. He would have to face Mark's expectation which Mark on several occasions stating that BSB2 would have Hotter guys and new surroundings. Mark actually build up the new site to rate a 12 on a scale of 10 and all of us were foaming at the mouth waiting to see this.
So, what went wrong. And these are my opinions and mine alone.
1. The Hot guys (12 on a scale of 10) just did not happen. Keep in mind ratings need not be 100% on physicality but also on personality. AS to what is a "HOT GUY", there are over 3,000 members which more than likely equals 5,000 types of HOT GUYS. We will all NEVER agree as to what is "HOT". But collectively by the scores this could be the #1 factor. So far, overall there is no comparison 10 episodes to 10 episodes.
Scorpio, I love you to death, but the fact that many no-forum members are saying great things about BSB2 may be true, but why is that not being reflected in the ratings????? We can agree to disagree here.
2. Mark set an expectation that was so high that perhaps no Director (even David?) could have met. I truly think we all expected something that would knock us off our feet. And when we did not get it immediately, the bubble quickly burst.
3. Some of the models just don't seem to have the right attitude and seem hostile to the whole idea of what they are doing. Granted, BSB1 had some like that too, but you did not have them showing up in the first 10 episodes.
4. The flashing of the money in photos and the vids is just cheap and dirty, but down the line this is being corrected.
5. The foot fetish. Granted BSB1 had the Fleshlight (but it did have oral to go with it. And it still was one of the lowest episodes of Broke Straight Boys! but almost a point higher vs. foot fetish).
These are the reason why BSB2 is off to a difficult start. I do like the new director and he is doing a very decent job and paying attention to detail (move into the light, etc.).
Is it time to jump ship. I don't think so. Keep in mind that there could be up to two months of vids ready to show, so the changes are perhaps that far away. BSB1 had the same challenges when we went crazy with our comments. Perhaps Mark can move up some of the newer shoots so we can get a preview of what changes have been implemented.
I was very disappointed with the first 10 episodes. Had this been the first 10 for BSB1, I might not have joined. I will always remember the short clips of Chris and Alex, Jamie and Aiden, and Taz that caught my eye and made me WANT to join.
Mark, you have put together a great package and Broke Straight Boys should be the #1 seller. They say if it ain't broke why fix it? Perhaps going back to what was successful would change moral and then slowly branch off to try something different (none of us are oppose to change for change sake, but mix it up).
Rome was not built in a Day. Nor was BSB1 and BSB2. But the clock is running on BSB2, the potential is always there, so as Captain Picard would say.
MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Live Long and Prosper,
Vicekid
