Broke Straight Rapists?

[CRandallB]

Okay--the reason I am posting this is that I would like to know if anyone else thought the Kyle/Hoffer vid was a little too much? First, not a fan of tops demeaning the boy they are fucking. To me, it buys into the heterocentric concept that whoever takes the dick is a "less-than" creature, when we all know, without someone willing to take the dick, those of us of the top persuasion would be pretty frustrated. Internalized homophobia has a lot to do with the enjoyment of watching someone taking cock being demeaned and/or treated like a sub-human entity strictly there to provide pleasure for the top, which allows the top to retain the semblance of being "okay" as he is performing the heterocentric inserter role.
To each their own, and the models on this site are here to perform a variety of scenes meant to appeal to as wide an audience as possible and part of that is acting out scenes bordering on fantasy. Guys who may enjoy such extreme scenes, which to me resemble rape, may not EVER actually attempt to enact such scenes in real life.
Am I taking a scene meant to fulfill a fantasy too seriously? Or am I justified in my concern about such scenes reinforcing internalized homophobia through demeaning the role of the bottom as the "real" queer while the role of the top maintains the illusion of heteronormative behavior?

 

[mikeyank]

Okay--the reason I am posting this is that I would like to know if anyone else thought the Kyle/Hoffer vid was a little too much? First, not a fan of tops demeaning the boy they are fucking. To me, it buys into the heterocentric concept that whoever takes the dick is a "less-than" creature, when we all know, without someone willing to take the dick, those of us of the top persuasion would be pretty frustrated. Internalized homophobia has a lot to do with the enjoyment of watching someone taking cock being demeaned and/or treated like a sub-human entity strictly there to provide pleasure for the top, which allows the top to retain the semblance of being "okay" as he is performing the heterocentric inserter role.
To each their own, and the models on this site are here to perform a variety of scenes meant to appeal to as wide an audience as possible and part of that is acting out scenes bordering on fantasy. Guys who may enjoy such extreme scenes, which to me resemble rape, may not EVER actually attempt to enact such scenes in real life.
Am I taking a scene meant to fulfill a fantasy too seriously? Or am I justified in my concern about such scenes reinforcing internalized homophobia through demeaning the role of the bottom as the "real" queer while the role of the top maintains the illusion of heteronormative behavior?

You asked a question, which I highlighted in red, and my answer is an emphatic YES, you are taking a fantasy way too seriously.

Long time members of Broke Straight Boys will remember a similar scene of Sean & Santos going all the way back to November 8 2010 where members of the forum also accused Broke Straight Boys of filming a "rape" scene. David later explained that the boys planned it to change things up. I often say that Broke Straight Boys is a fantasy site presented in a reality format. I've been here a long time and I can assure you that neither David or Mark and certainly not Sha would ever film a scene of that nature and that "No human beings or small animals were harmed in the making of this film". lol

For those interested, this was Sean & Santos that also caused a similar stir "back in the day".

http://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/NDkx/sean-&-santos

 

[juanjo]

I agree with mikeyank. I think you are reading way more into it than there is.

 

[another1]

I remember when colin and jimmy's anal scene was seen as rape like. colin said it was not.

 

[mikeyank]

I remember when colin and jimmy's anal scene was seen as rape like. colin said it was not.

It's just porn and at the end of the day, this is a porn site, nothing real, just porn.

 

[Buckeye1]

Okay--the reason I am posting this is that I would like to know if anyone else thought the Kyle/Hoffer vid was a little too much? First, not a fan of tops demeaning the boy they are fucking. To me, it buys into the heterocentric concept that whoever takes the dick is a "less-than" creature, when we all know, without someone willing to take the dick, those of us of the top persuasion would be pretty frustrated. Internalized homophobia has a lot to do with the enjoyment of watching someone taking cock being demeaned and/or treated like a sub-human entity strictly there to provide pleasure for the top, which allows the top to retain the semblance of being "okay" as he is performing the heterocentric inserter role.
To each their own, and the models on this site are here to perform a variety of scenes meant to appeal to as wide an audience as possible and part of that is acting out scenes bordering on fantasy. Guys who may enjoy such extreme scenes, which to me resemble rape, may not EVER actually attempt to enact such scenes in real life.
Am I taking a scene meant to fulfill a fantasy too seriously? Or am I justified in my concern about such scenes reinforcing internalized homophobia through demeaning the role of the bottom as the "real" queer while the role of the top maintains the illusion of heteronormative behavior?

I agree with mikeyank and juanjo. You are taking this way too seriously. The MODELS (not management) talk over how the scene will go before shooting. Each knows what the other model is going to do. I will admit that Kyle didn't appear to expect the fucking to start right away as they usually have some useless warm-up kissing before the actual sex.

Concerning your quote, "Guys who may enjoy such extreme scenes, which to me resemble rape, may not EVER actually attempt to enact such scenes in real life." I am vers and my most enjoyable sex was bottoming. Believe me, hard fucking (which this scene was an example of, and not rape) can be very satisfying and lots of fun. It is more popular in real life than you ever expected.

Nothing is ever going to happen on Broke Straight Boys that is remotely illegal. It is sort of the "family friendly" site.

 

[CRandallB]

I can certainly understand the viewpoint of those that answered. This is a "fantasy" site after all. However, I did notice that those that stipulated to that also did not even attempt to respond to the part of my comment regarding demeaning the boy on the bottom DURING a rape-like scene. Is this part of the "harmless" fun as well? Are we so inured to the verbal and/or physical bashing of men that take cock that such verbal abuse is not only accepted, but expected as well?
Like I said, some guy fucking me calls me bitch or takes on the attitude that I am something "less-than" because I allow his cock into my body is gonna end up wearing some wall after I kick his teeth down his throat. Just personally, I do not approve of imagery which perpetuates the heteronormative misconception that the guy on top is exercising some sort of gratis authority while the guy on the bottom is a non-participant receptacle worthy of scorn.

 

[Buckeye1]

I can certainly understand the viewpoint of those that answered. This is a "fantasy" site after all. However, I did notice that those that stipulated to that also did not even attempt to respond to the part of my comment regarding demeaning the boy on the bottom DURING a rape-like scene. Is this part of the "harmless" fun as well? Are we so inured to the verbal and/or physical bashing of men that take cock that such verbal abuse is not only accepted, but expected as well?
Like I said, some guy fucking me calls me bitch or takes on the attitude that I am something "less-than" because I allow his cock into my body is gonna end up wearing some wall after I kick his teeth down his throat. Just personally, I do not approve of imagery which perpetuates the heteronormative misconception that the guy on top is exercising some sort of gratis authority while the guy on the bottom is a non-participant receptacle worthy of scorn.

Have you never heard of "role play?"

 

[CRandallB]

I have been a hardcore top all of my life. I have bottomed, completely intentionally for the benefit of the experience to add to my abilities as a top. I think every top should bottom at least three or four times to understand what is happening on the other side of the coin. In my hay-day, growling, throwing guys around and pounding as hard as they liked was my normative. I generally only fucked other bigger guys because, frankly, I was always just a little concerned with hurting a smaller guy. I have no problems with good hard shagging. However, I have MAJOR problems with DEMEANING the boy taking the pounding! I have NEVER verbally abused a guy taking my cock. To do so to me indicates an internalized anger and self-hatred--after all, if the person I choose to fuck is someone I see as inferior, what does that say about me? That I do not have the self-esteem to choose a partner I view as an equal? That the act of sex is a weapon meant to insult the man that is allowing me intimate access to his body? Whether the depiction of this fantasy as rape is actually illegal or not is irrelevant. My concern is the enactment of rape itself. Again, to each their own. I found the video insulting but I have fought for gay equality since I was 13 (I am now nearly 59), and I found the elements of this video in particular to be socially destructive and rated it accordingly.

 

[CRandallB]

and what part of "role play" is satisfied by demeaning the man taking your cock? rape roleplay, perhaps? You have made my point.

 

[Youngandconfused22]

Why is this even a topic. Are u kidding me.

 

[Buckeye1]

I have been a hardcore top all of my life. I have bottomed, completely intentionally for the benefit of the experience to add to my abilities as a top. I think every top should bottom at least three or four times to understand what is happening on the other side of the coin. In my hay-day, growling, throwing guys around and pounding as hard as they liked was my normative. I generally only fucked other bigger guys because, frankly, I was always just a little concerned with hurting a smaller guy. I have no problems with good hard shagging. However, I have MAJOR problems with DEMEANING the boy taking the pounding! I have NEVER verbally abused a guy taking my cock. To do so to me indicates an internalized anger and self-hatred--after all, if the person I choose to fuck is someone I see as inferior, what does that say about me? That I do not have the self-esteem to choose a partner I view as an equal? That the act of sex is a weapon meant to insult the man that is allowing me intimate access to his body? Whether the depiction of this fantasy as rape is actually illegal or not is irrelevant. My concern is the enactment of rape itself. Again, to each their own. I found the video insulting but I have fought for gay equality since I was 13 (I am now nearly 59), and I found the elements of this video in particular to be socially destructive and rated it accordingly.

Everything you just said would be true if Abram intended to be abusive...here it is simple role play. Nobody was hurt, physically or mentally...it was just a role play scene of aggressive sex, and definitely NOT RAPE. Fasten your seat belt...there will be others to follow. Rate them accordingly.

 

[CRandallB]

just one thing--assumptions. this is my second stint as a member. I started back up after I received an offer for a greatly reduced rate if I came back. I quit this site during the circa wherein the guys on top all decided en masse that it was okay to verbally abuse the guys on the bottom. Calling them names while fucking them, treating them badly. One model in particular caused me to quit the site with his tag-line of:It's only gay if you make it gay...bitch. That was too much.
I accepted the offer ready to cancel again if the unfortunate trend I had witnessed before had continued. Happily, the models most involved with this meme were gone--Kaden Alexander, Tyler, several others when those two were popular, including the str8 guy who had the temerity to define gay sex for gay men everywhere. That gay sex was okay as long as you pretended it wasn't gay sex, or demeaned it appropriately.
I am a gay man. I am not a bitch. No man that enjoys/takes cock is a bitch. Nor does he deserve scorn in any shape, manner or fashion. This is an unfortunate acceptance of the heteronormative role of the inserter. It also makes me go "hmmmmm..." when str8 boys think of their female sexual partners in this way: That anyone willing to take their cock must have something inherently wrong with them, are inferior in some drastic way.
So--I am not a "short-timer" here at all. I joined after I saw a vid with Denver being fucked for the first time back in '12.
I like this site because I enjoy watching str8 boys finding out that having a cock up their ass or in their mouth can not only be enjoyable, but does not turn you into a worthless creature. Every str8 advocate out there helps us. Every one. I see Broke Straight Boys as churning out crop after crop of young str8 guys who may not ever pursue a same-gender sexual relationship outside the studio, but will forever have their entire viewpoint of what and who gay men are changed.

 

[CRandallB]

believe it or not, you weren't a consideration at all when I created this topic...so feel kidded or don't--completely irrelevant to me.

 

[CRandallB]

sorry--I obviously do not have your psychic abilities to determine intention through an electronic medium. I can only go by what was actually depicted. I saw a guy virtually force his cock into the ass of anotherr guy, forcefully hold him down, calling him a bitch and at one point commanding him to "stay down". He paid little attention to the comfort and responses of the guy he was fucking and was particularly physically distant beyond his cock in the guy's ass.
His intention? I can't say. Ooops...neither can you.

 

[CRandallB]

you also eluded my question and just repeated the phrase "role play" without offering your definition of what the ROLE was supposed to be? I contend RAPE role play, the forceful rape of a less-than-respectfable queer by a str8 guy--what is your definition of the role play (to avail myself of your psychic abilities) INTENDED?

 

[juanjo]

I am sorry CRandallB but all I am hearing here is a lot of issues you seems to have with how you interpret the interactions of the models and then assigning particular pejorative motives to these both on the part of management as well as the viewers who enjoyed the scene. You are certainly entitled to your own opinions and to express them but not your own facts. The fact is I am not hearing anything factual out of you which supports the very strong opinions you are expressing here. Unless you have one I am forced to conclude this is a personal issue on your part and leave it at that.

 

[CRandallB]

and what was David going to say instead? Was he going to admit that the scene got out of control and one of his models raped the other? In what reality would he have done so?

 

[CRandallB]

of course it's a personal issue. I hardly ever have opinions about anything with which I am not personally intrigued by. Do you? How do you do that? I have repeated the "facts" of the scene I saw and have been met with others telling me that they have psychic revelations regarding "intent", that rape is illegal and therefore, for some reason, wouldn't be simulated, which is entirely legal. The man on top called the man on the bottom names, did not engage with him physically at all, AS WAS DEPICTED shoved his cock into the other guy's ass without the benefit of lubricant, held him down and at one point when the model on the bottom attempted to adjust his position, pushed down on his shoulders and told him to stay down. THESE are FACTS from the video. What you and several supporters of this video have said is that you could "tell" (somehow) that Kyle was enjoying being fucked like that, that it was "obvious" he was "thrilled" and that you enjoy the concept of a str8 boy holding down a queer and just taking what he wants. Tho we are probably of about the same age, it is "obvious" to me that your "intent" is that you have internalized hatred of who and what you are from the bad old days when being queer was seen as abnormal and deserving of punishment and take pleasure in seeing a receiver demeaned and used, because, in your mind, that is what queers deserve. While, I on the other hand, since the age of 13 in '69 in NYC have fought for the dignity, rights and respect gay men deserve. Hey, if YOU get to interpret intent and make up perceptions you have absolutely NO WAY of verifying, then so can I.
That I am not among your number does me no end of good and provides me with great personal satisfaction. I have NEVER verbally nor physically abused a man in my bed, EVER.

 

[mikeyank]

CRandallB , you are the one who I believe that has issues, as someone who cannot separate fantasy from reality. If aggressive fuck scenes with role playing offend you as they do, perhaps this is the wrong site for you to belong to. I am a gay man who gets turned on by a perceived straight man calling me a "bitch" or even the dreaded "f" word during sex play, but who treats me as an equal after the sex. This is a great big wide wonderful world and the world according to you is not necessarly the correct way to perceive things. If you can't handle some diversity in your porn, perhaps this is not the right site for you to be a member of, even at a reduced rate.