Are BSB models really broke ?

[joninliverton]

I've decided to open a new thread on this subject as I didn't want the subject to continue on Ian Dempsey's thread.

I quote Stowe1s and Tampa's discussion

Originally Posted by tampa24
I believe what he says is true. Plus the term "broke" is very subjective for all of us...both younger and older adults alike. Regardless of how wealthy one's family may be, an 18-19 y/o guy tends to always want his own money for the next new thing without humbling himself to go hat in hand to one or both of his parents. As any of us can surely relate to, when one seeks money from parents one has to explain and justify every expense and purchase. Whereas if it's your own money you can spend it on anything...regardless of how important or frivolous it may seem to others.





Parents giving a new car and having $10,000 in scholarships hardly constitutes broke in any subjective definition of broke. I agree, if a person strikes out on his own and is barely making it or not making it and can't provide for the basics of shelter and food, and he or she wants no help from the parental units (Coneheads reference - lol!!) then he can be considered broke by any objective or subjective measurement of that term. From what I can gather from the brief scene interviews and other bits of info we have, most of our models are not broke in that sense of the word. And for those of our members who want to fantasize that these guys are broke in the socially accepted meaning of that word, Ian's letter is the latest and most detailed example of the fact that is not true. Faced with that, it can be hard for those members to keep that fantasy going. I spent my 14 closeted coming out years with hustlers, street trade, etc. Very few were homeless and without the means for sustenance. Thus, I never had the illusion that the guys here were any different.

 

[joninliverton]

Having started this thread I will comment. The recent models have certainly not appeared broke. Sure some may want to make some more money as an extra income to help raise their kids or sustain their gambling/casino habits, but they are certainly not the type of broke guys that we saw in BSB1.

I believe the change of studio location has had a lot to do with the current situation. Gone are the days of people like David trawling the streets of Fort Lauderdale for broke guys. I'm not sure whether there are similar cruising areas where the current studios are and that could be why the guys we are seeing are mostly from out of area and are filling in their applications online, instead of being coerced off the streets by people like David.

 

[mikeyank]

Having started this thread I will comment. The recent models have certainly not appeared broke. Sure some may want to make some more money as an extra income to help raise their kids or sustain their gambling/casino habits, but they are certainly not the type of broke guys that we saw in BSB1.

I believe the change of studio location has had a lot to do with the current situation. Gone are the days of people like David trawling the streets of Fort Lauderdale for broke guys. I'm not sure whether there are similar cruising areas where the current studios are and that could be why the guys we are seeing are mostly from out of area and are filling in their applications online, instead of being coerced off the streets by people like David.

As I said a few days ago Jon, I don't see the change in locale of the studio from Florida to Denver having anything to do with the caliber of models that we are seeing. During BSB1 the vast majority of guys were flown into Fort Lauderdale after applying to the site either online, or through recommendation of friends, or through recruiters. David often explained the setup at his home where he and Eddie housed a group of models flown in to shoot three scenes per visit, and how David and Eddie cooked meals for them, and had rules of conduct that needed to be adhered to while they were staying at David's house.

I don't think that David troweled the streets of Fort Lauderdale to pick up guys except in some "fantasy" situations set up for a scene, (such as finding Tyler at the car show, or inviting the kid who did the lawns at David's house, or even the pizza boy making a delivery, while David was shooting porn, and inviting him in). David would also often tell us that he had a new model in his studio and "decided" to call so and so who he thought would be a good match with him. I used to think how bogus that was, a these guys usually lived somewhere across the country, but this was all "dramatic license" for our entertainment.

Some of the BSB1 models did live in the South Florida area, just as some of the current models now live in the vicinity of the "Broke Straight Boys Dream house", but I believe that the majority are flown in to stay with the production team for both the D&E shoots as well as the current shoots.

So your theory of the change of locale does not jive with the reality as I see it.

 

[joninliverton]

As I said a few days ago Jon, I don't see the change in locale of the studio from Florida to Denver having anything to do with the caliber of models that we are seeing. During BSB1 the vast majority of guys were flown into Fort Lauderdale after applying to the site either online, or through recommendation of friends, or through recruiters. David often explained the setup at his home where he and Eddie housed a group of models flown in to shoot three scenes per visit, and how David and Eddie cooked meals for them, and had rules of conduct that needed to be adhered to while they were staying at David's house.

I don't think that David troweled the streets of Fort Lauderdale to pick up guys except in some "fantasy" situations set up for a scene, (such as finding Tyler at the car show, or inviting the kid who did the lawns at David's house, or even the pizza boy making a delivery, while David was shooting porn, and inviting him in). David would also often tell us that he had a new model in his studio and "decided" to call so and so who he thought would be a good match with him. I used to think how bogus that was, a these guys usually lived somewhere across the country, but this was all "dramatic license" for our entertainment.

Some of the BSB1 models did live in the South Florida area, just as some of the current models now live in the vicinity of the "Broke Straight Boys Dream house", but I believe that the majority are flown in to stay with the production team for both the D&E shoots as well as the current shoots.

So your theory of the change of locale does not jive with the reality as I see it.

The locale was just one part of the scenario as I see it. The thread is about whether or not the models are really broke, as per what your friend Stowie picked up earlier

 

[mikeyank]

The locale was just one part of the scenario as I see it. The thread is about whether or not the models are really broke, as per what your friend Stowie picked up earlier

I think the situations vary model by model, regardless of whether they were filmed by David & Eddie or by Clay & Mark. Each young man who finds himself on the futon or in the current "Broke Straight Boys Mansion" has their own story to tell, most of which we never hear. That is why I am so hopeful that Ian will follow through with his planned video blog to take us into his own life and situation.

I have long stated and believed that no 100% straight guy would do gay porn, no matter how broke he is. I do believe that much as with street hustlers, models here use the money as an excuse to themselves to have gay sex. They try to convince themselves that the only reason they are letting a guy blow them or jerk them off or fuck them or get fucked by them is because they need the money. I believe that it is a defense mechanism in their brain that allows them to enjoy the sexual high without thinking of themselves as being gay. I believe that both you and I Jon, have publically stated on the forum that we never would have had sex with a female on film or otherwise, even for a huge paycheck.

While many models I am sure do need money desperately, while others may not, as it varies situation by situation, but I never believed that the money was the sole motivation for any guy to get naked on an internet site and fuck and suck and swallow cum. It may be a part of their motivation, but there is more to it than the money, but the money is a convenient excuse that they can tell themselves.

 

[joninliverton]

I think the situations vary model by model, regardless of whether they were filmed by David & Eddie or by Clay & Mark. Each young man who finds himself on the futon or in the current "Broke Straight Boys Mansion" has their own story to tell, most of which we never hear. That is why I am so hopeful that Ian will follow through with his planned video blog to take us into his own life and situation.

I have long stated and believed that no 100% straight guy would do gay porn, no matter how broke he is. I do believe that much as with street hustlers, models here use the money as an excuse to themselves to have gay sex. They try to convince themselves that the only reason they are letting a guy blow them or jerk them off or fuck them or get fucked by them is because they need the money. I believe that it is a defense mechanism in their brain that allows them to enjoy the sexual high without thinking of themselves as being gay. I believe that both you and I Jon, have publically stated on the forum that we never would have had sex with a female on film or otherwise, even for a huge paycheck.

While many models I am sure do need money desperately, while others may not, as it varies situation by situation, but I never believed that the money was the sole motivation for any guy to get naked on an internet site and fuck and suck and swallow cum. It may be a part of their motivation, but there is more to it than the money, but the money is a convenient excuse that they can tell themselves.

Wow I never believed you thought that, but that is what I think too. Broke Straight Boys is in fact a vehicle for these curious straight guys to fulfill their sexual fantasies whilst getting paid too. Sounds like a good deal for both parties lol

 

[mikeyank]

Wow I never believed you thought that, but that is what I think too. Broke Straight Boys is in fact a vehicle for these curious straight guys to fulfill their sexual fantasies whilst getting paid too. Sounds like a good deal for both parties lol

Let's put a big gold star on our calendars today Jon, as on this day we are in complete agreement.

 

[peterh6308]

Let's put a big gold star on our calendars today Jon, as on this day we are in complete agreement.

I've got a tear rolling down my cheek!!! The forum once again brings even the opposites together.

 

[betudidntknow]

If I may. When I first started viewing "gay porn" in general, I had the impression that most of the models were gay! (Ironically, I always tend to gravitate toward the "straighter looking/acting of the models" in scenes I like.) I lived in San Diego for a while and actually knew a few "real guys" who were gay and did gay films. (Rick Donovan ,Ronnie, Steve and a few others from Sea Bag studios.

When Aaron James entered the scene as "Gay For Pay" I quickly learned that most of the guys I was watching subsequent to those days were actually not always gay, bi, but actually straight!

When I view the older Broke Straight Boys scenes, the emphasis was on these guys being broke and seeing how far they were willing to go (sexually) for money. While it is sometimes mentioned (the money) I see most of these models as maybe curious at first but, the money is the "brass ring" if you will. I don't think they are "Broke" but I do feel the money has a great influence on their continued participation.

My question has always been "Why this type of work?" Certain models continue to mystify me in this regard. There is sometimes more than just their own "reputation" at risk but, the risk of what this might do to their families!

It maybe my own "personal desire" but, I have to go with, they are (at the very least) a little bit curious and maybe, a little more than that.

 

[mikeyank]

I've got a tear rolling down my cheek!!! The forum once again brings even the opposites together.

I think that this is such a red letter day for peace and harmony on the forum Peter, that I am moved to song.

 

[peterh6308]

If I may. When I first started viewing "gay porn" in general, I had the impression that most of the models were gay! (Ironically, I always tend to gravitate toward the "straighter looking/acting of the models" in scenes I like.) I lived in San Diego for a while and actually knew a few "real guys" who were gay and did gay films. (Rick Donovan ,Ronnie, Steve and a few others from Sea Bag studios.

When Aaron James entered the scene as "Gay For Pay" I quickly learned that most of the guys I was watching subsequent to those days were actually not always gay, bi, but actually straight!

When I view the older Broke Straight Boys scenes, the emphasis was on these guys being broke and seeing how far they were willing to go (sexually) for money. While it is sometimes mentioned (the money) I see most of these models as maybe curious at first but, the money is the "brass ring" if you will. I don't think they are "Broke" but I do feel the money has a great influence on their continued participation.

My question has always been "Why this type of work?" Certain models continue to mystify me in this regard. There is sometimes more than just their own "reputation" at risk but, the risk of what this might do to their families!

It maybe my own "personal desire" but, I have to go with, they are (at the very least) a little bit curious and maybe, a little more than that.

A bit curious? They are filling out a app for a gay porn web site. I personnally don't really care if the boys are curious, Bi, gay or straight as long as they are masculine acting when doing a scene on Broke Straight Boys I made a comment on another thread that I joined this site for the "see how far a straight guy will go for money" premise. Now I continue to stay as they put out some good bareback porn with good looking everyday kind of guys. The bonus sites and "THE FORUM" are just great additions to keep this customer happy.

 

[tampa24]

I have long stated and believed that no 100% straight guy would do gay porn, no matter how broke he is. They try to convince themselves that the only reason they are letting a guy blow them or jerk them off or fuck them or get fucked by them is because they need the money. I believe that it is a defense mechanism in their brain that allows them to enjoy the sexual high without thinking of themselves as being gay.

I never believed that the money was the sole motivation for any guy to get naked on an internet site and fuck and suck and swallow cum. It may be a part of their motivation, but there is more to it than the money, but the money is a convenient excuse that they can tell themselves.

Wow I never believed you thought that, but that is what I think too. Broke Straight Boys is in fact a vehicle for these curious straight guys to fulfill their sexual fantasies whilst getting paid too. Sounds like a good deal for both parties lol

I agree with both of you guys on this. I've always believed that the money was often (though perhaps not always) a smoke screen that the "straight-curious" could use to rationalize having gay sex and satisfy that curiosity of what it all might feel like. Not only is it a good excuse for them, but it also helps to justify it to those in their families and anyone else in their real lives who might find out. They can always say, "Hey. I'm just doing gay-for-pay video work here. It's only about the money for me. I'm straight."

Some guys even find their straight sex lives and dating pool enhanced when women find out they have done gay video work and are "porn stars". Flint and Paul both attested to the fact that girls they had previously dated and more or less got dumped by at some point, came running back to jump their bones when they found out the guys were straight "gay porn stars". haha Paul said one ex of his came back and turned into a "total freak" in the sack once she heard the news. Flint said the whole experience of his video work was worth it because it helped reunite him with an ex of his who had lost his virginity to several years before. Apparently she also came racing back to him and turned into a total freak in the sack once she got wind of his "porn model" status. lol

 

[tampa24]

As to whether models are really broke anymore, I must say that that part interests me the least in a model's "appeal". However I can remember at least 3 models off the top of my head who really needed the cash when they came here. One is Colin who lives in the very expensive state of California. He was married and had a son from his previous wife or girlfriend. (I think she was an ex-wife but I'm not sure.) In any case, he had child support for his son, whom he adored of course. I think he mentioned that the family car was not in good shape. His wife became pregnant. At a later point he even had outstanding fines and court costs due to a non-violent legal run-in. He was/is in every way a poster child of a broke, "straight" man.

If I recall correctly, he told us things had gotten so bad financially that as the man of the household he had to consider anything and everything (legal) that would allow him to bring in some serious additional cash...while still keeping his day job. How many extremely part-time jobs are there like that out there? And most importantly that are legal? lol It was at some point in that search that he seriously considered the gay-for-pay porn.

Another is Skyler. I won't embarrass him by posting the director's remarks here. But on his model profile the director says, in as many words, that Skyler looked to be badly in need of money when he first arrived. Like Colin, I am grateful that Skyler has had the chance to bring in some badly need cash.

Then we have "Desperate Mike" who was only able to do his solo and part of one other scene. As soon as we saw him, many of us could tell by his clothing, look, demeanor and skin pallor that he was just not healthy. Life was beating him down hard. And at such a young age. Bless his heart. He looked bedraggled, despondent and malnourished. I wouldn't doubt that the Broke Straight Boys mansion provided him with some of the best food he had had in many a day.

He was a perfect example of a straight guy who was at his wits end and forced to consider anything and everything legal to keep a roof over his head and food in his belly. The fact that he really was straight, and the fact that he had a strong religious upbringing that saw gay sex as sinful, didn't help his already fragile and conflicted mental state. When the time finally came for him to perform the gay sex, he just couldn't do it. Even for the money that he so desperately needed.

So in closing we have had our share of broke guys on Broke Straight Boys-2. The broke aspect is not important for me to be able to enjoy a scene. I don't want to see it used as a prerequisite for hiring. The straight (or at least believably straight) aspect is the most important to me on the site. Though I'm also thrilled to see models make money here who I can tell are in desperately serious need of it.

 

[betudidntknow]

A bit curious? They are filling out a app for a gay porn web site. I personnally don't really care if the boys are curious, Bi, gay or straight as long as they are masculine acting when doing a scene on Broke Straight Boys I made a comment on another thread that I joined this site for the "see how far a straight guy will go for money" premise. Now I continue to stay as they put out some good bareback porn with good looking everyday kind of guys. The bonus sites and "THE FORUM" are just great additions to keep this customer happy.

Similarly, I am not as hung up on their actual "sexual proclivities" as some. I again, tend to gravitate toward the guys who have the more masculine qualities about them. As long as the scene is "hot" and the sex is represented as, "A good time had by all..." I too am a happy camper! Word of note: For me, a few of the scenes I have enjoyed the most (but not exclusively) on this site, have contained models who where, presumably, or admittedly (even obviously)....experienced in some degree of sex with another guy!

 

[joninliverton]

I've got a tear rolling down my cheek!!! The forum once again brings even the opposites together.

Only for a short while Peter, read the Redskins thread on the other side lol..

 

[jayshaw]

I agree with MIKEYANK. I don't believe any of the guys on Broke Straight Boys are straight. Maybe bi in some cases but gay in most cases. The money is used as an excuse to do the gay sex. Many,many years ago I knew a young 20 year old guy who had a girlfriend and a baby by her. He knew I was gay, but was always at ease around me. One day we went to lunch together (lunch break) and he started asking me questions about being gay. After a few minutes, I realized that he seemed very interested about the gay life. I immediately decided that I was going to ask him if he had ever had sex with a guy. He very quickly answered that he had not, but had always wondered about it, but told me, you know Iam straight. He said he had heard that guys could give better blowjobs than girls and he wondered if it was true. I ask him if he would ever consider letting a guy blow him and without any hesitation he answered yes, but only if he was paid. Long story short, I ended up giving him some money and blowing him. About a week later, he ask me if I wanted to blow him again. I told him I would love to do it, but I didn't have money to give him. It would have to be free. Well, to my surprise he said ok . He said that I could blow him any time I wanted and would not have to ever give him money. Also, another bigger surprise was when he said that he wanted to actively participate in the sex. He wanted to do everything to me that I was going to do to him. We spent about 2 months having a great time together, before he joined the army. After he left for service I never heard from him again. I consider that in this case the money gave him the freedom to act on his true desires.

 

[mikeyank]

I agree with MIKEYANK. I don't believe any of the guys on Broke Straight Boys are straight. Maybe bi in some cases but gay in most cases. The money is used as an excuse to do the gay sex. Many,many years ago I knew a young 20 year old guy who had a girlfriend and a baby by her. He knew I was gay, but was always at ease around me. One day we went to lunch together (lunch break) and he started asking me questions about being gay. After a few minutes, I realized that he seemed very interested about the gay life. I immediately decided that I was going to ask him if he had ever had sex with a guy. He very quickly answered that he had not, but had always wondered about it, but told me, you know Iam straight. He said he had heard that guys could give better blowjobs than girls and he wondered if it was true. I ask him if he would ever consider letting a guy blow him and without any hesitation he answered yes, but only if he was paid. Long story short, I ended up giving him some money and blowing him. About a week later, he ask me if I wanted to blow him again. I told him I would love to do it, but I didn't have money to give him. It would have to be free. Well, to my surprise he said ok . He said that I could blow him any time I wanted and would not have to ever give him money. Also, another bigger surprise was when he said that he wanted to actively participate in the sex. He wanted to do everything to me that I was going to do to him. We spent about 2 months having a great time together, before he joined the army. After he left for service I never heard from him again. I consider that in this case the money gave him the freedom to act on his true desires.

Excellent story Jayshaw, and I agree that your 20 year old co-worker friend was in very much the same boat as many of the models who apply to Broke Straight Boys, whereas they initially want the money to justify what they are doing.

Your buddy reminds me of a 20 year old Greek Italian guy that I had met online over a decade ago. He told me that he was straight but would let me suck him off for some money, which I paid, and we did the same thing a week later. He then contacted me again another week or so later, and when I picked him up in my car, he said for a little more money he would suck me too. When I turned him down, he said he would suck me off for free. So in many of these "straight-curious" guys, the money is the initial excuse, but I still believe that no 100% hetero guy will have gay sex, for money or not.

 

[keylow365]

I agree that most truly straight guys would do gay porn maybe the solo's but that would be as far as it goes. Most of these guys are bi or gay.The money just let's them be free to enjoy it by saying they are acting or it is just a show for the members.

 

[Beth]

Oh come one guys, remember what happens when we "ASSuME" something. I'm just happy there are men willing to show me...a good time!

 

[betudidntknow]

I agree that most truly straight guys would do gay porn maybe the solo's but that would be as far as it goes. Most of these guys are bi or gay.The money just let's them be free to enjoy it by saying they are acting or it is just a show for the members.

Not (to me) that it really matters about their true sexuality. Obviously, these models "must state that they are straight" as this is the premise of the "Straight guys doing Gay porn" industry itself. I really do believe that it is possible for a Straight man to engage in (what is naturally assumed taboo) sex with another guy, and even...learn to enjoy it, while still maintaining his preference for women. Sex is sex! In this case, they may have to work harder at performing (and we don't know what they have to do to prepare for a scene, or even if they are watching straight porn while doing it) but I do believe it can be done and done well! That's just my opinion!