Sick and tired of all the model bashing!

[jtdestin]

O.K. I hope I don’t piss anyone off; but I have been a fan of Broke Straight Boys for years and have been a off and on member for years. But recently I made a commitment to not give up my membership when the site got repetitive 1. Because I started to take advantage of the forums and I have enjoyed them and 2. I wanted to see how this new format went. When I rejoined I was surprised of all the changes that were made no David or none of the models I have enjoyed in the past. This is fine change is good.

But to me what’s getting old is all the members that complain about the models. Theses guys are doing great they are amateurs for the most part and are giving it there best shot.(not all will please everyone!but they do what is asked of them)
That’s what we pay to see good-looking amateurs doing what they need to. to get buy

I do admit that the films are not as good as in Broke Straight Boys 1 but believe me I don’t feel its due to the models at all.

Let me put it this way… If one of my businesses is not putting out a quality product like it did in the past, and I have a new crew (models) doing what they need to do.
With new management (directors, camera guys) who should be guiding and teaching them to deliver!
IT’S NOT THE CREW I COME DOWN ON IT WOULD BE THE MANAGEMENT! (I would question them and myself for decisions made)
In 15 years of owning and managing my own businesses I do not find problems start with the workers or employees it’s nearly always poor leadership

Jt
Just my opinion
Worth nothing but freely given

 

[jasonaz]

I wholeheartedly agree! I too own several businesses and one thing I have learned is that the employees will do the minimum that is required of them to get by. It all dpends where you set the bar. If it's okay to be 5 minutes late, they will always be 5 minutes late!

I have only been back a few weeks, so I have no idea who Clay is other than he is the director. How old is he, is he gay, what does he look like etc.. The thing about David is he was able to engage the models and make them feel at ease. He oftentimes refered to himself as a "creepy old guy", but I think that is what endeared him to the models, they felt comfortable with the "father figure" who was there to guide them. I don't feel that from Clay. David was a personality and a character, almost as much a part of the scene as the models were. Clay is just a voice behind the camera. There are approx 30 scenes of the Broke Straight Boys.2, in none of the scenes do I feel that the models are relaxed or fully accepting of what they are about to do. We can blame the models, and a lot of us do, but let us not forget who is driving the bus. -J

 

[rrhill]

"Sick and tired of all the model bashing!"

MikeYank wrote: "At one point Jimmy says that he is not arrogant, or a "dickhead", and that his producer tells him during his sex scenes, "to treat them like a bitch".

It seems the models get the wrong instructions.

The good thing is that management and Clay read the comments made on this forum. They pick up on the points made. However it takes some weeks to see the actual changes in the video's.

And it's so true that bashing brings nothing. Constructive criticism however will help shape the near future Broke Straight Boys 2.0.

 

[raysvq]

Yes I agree there has been some criticism of the models & of the new format which could be classed as bashing.
However there has also been a lot of criticism of the models because, simply put, they are not our type of guys.
Speaking for myself - I have never met the models & I don't know them personally so I can't comment on the guys as people, all I have said in the past is that they are not my type of guy (& I am sure I am not their type of guy).
As far as the new format goes - it is just not the sort of style that "I" like, many others like it and that is their preference.
I have put my 2 cents into the suggestion pot for ways that I feel would have improved things (from my perspective) but I respect the management's decision to steer the course they have taken with the product.

 

[rrhill]

Hello Ray,

"a lot of criticism of the models because, simply put, they are not our type of guys."

Good point! A lot of models seem to share some bodybuilder genes. The model selection committee seems to typecast alpha male's. Where a the slender college boys, the dreamers, the beta's?

Greetings,
Robert

 

[glenn323]

It's called free speech. If I pay for a service, I have the right to comment on it. We also have to remember this is porn, not church. When a guy strips down and gets in front of a camera for money, he opens himself up to both criticism and praise. It's part of the business.
I don't think commenting on a porn model's looks or performance level can be considered 'bashing' unless it's vicious or mean-spirited. I haven't really seen a lot of what I would call bashing here. I see a lot of personal opinions which I consider fair game.

 

[rrhill]

"I haven't really seen a lot of what I would call bashing here."

But checkout the threads from a month ago like: Jimmy No More PLEASE
and Enough with the bashing.... There was a lot of bashing going on.

Right now the comments on this forum are fair, and that makes it fun again to read and respond.

 

[glenn323]

That's still not bashing. It's just people stating their opinions about Jimmy. Let's face it, Jimmy has a strong personality which will elicit strong reactions.

 

[rrhill]

If one starts postings headers as Jimmy No More PLEASE and Jimmy and Matt Worst scene ever you pretty much set the tone for the thread to be negative. The real offensive comments were removed from the discussion. Not the strong opinions that included arguments.

Jimmy might have a strong personality, but he's human... if you stick a needle in him it hurts.

JTDestin's point is that a model does as instructed, if a video sucks blame the director and the management... the buck stops there. Why lay all the blame on a broke straight model? He is not solely responsible!

 

[richardnoggin869]

If This Were Television....

If this were television, the big studios would have cancelled this series within the first three weeks!!

The studios would have to agree the concept was good, but the production company wasn't up to par to please their target audience. They wouldn't cancel the series because of the actors, but the story lines, the narrator, including poor cinematography.

The amount of mail from the viewing audience (read in Forum comments) will dictate whether a series stays or goes, no matter how much hype from press releases. Of course you will get your naysayers, and a portion of the fawning public that will like one or two of the "actors". But....the fact remains.

If This Were Television....​

 

[jtdestin]

If one starts postings headers as Jimmy No More PLEASE and Jimmy and Matt Worst scene ever you pretty much set the tone for the thread to be negative. The real offensive comments were removed from the discussion. Not the strong opinions that included arguments.

Jimmy might have a strong personality, but he's human... if you stick a needle in him it hurts.

JTDestin's point is that a model does as instructed, if a video sucks blame the director and the management... the buck stops there. Why lay all the blame on a broke straight model? He is not solely responsible!

Thanks rrhill for more clearly getting my point across.
I had hoped its would not had been misunderstood.

jt

 

[glenn323]

I work in TV and I can tell you viewer mail has nothing to do with anything. It's all about ratings, which translates into advertising revenue. Money, money, money.
If this site continues to bring in paying members, it will thrive. If certain members don't find it appealing, there's always the 'cancel' option.
Personally, as someone who has been a member on and off for a few years, I can't tell the difference in the old and new Broke Straight Boys Maybe some new graphics and a new producer, but other than that, it seems like the same site: two ratty-looking guys and the futon. I don't really see what people are bitching about. If they start doing something I don't like, I'll leave. It's not like my life revolves around this site. There's plenty of competition out there.

 

[balboa]

I agree with the comments on both sides. While we don't know the models; what they're like off camera, how good of a person they are, etc. We only know what we see in their performance, and to be fair, that's all we can judge. As paying customers, we give our opinions and management should make whatever changes according to what subscribers like and don't like. If I don't like the direction a site is going, I'll cancel my membership and re-join when I feel things are turning around. Like TV, I'll just change the channel. But the bottom line is, if we don't voice our opinions, the producers will think they're doing fine, and watch their numbers drop like a stone. I do think a lot of the blame should go to the directors and casting people who pick the guys and direct them. I expect them to know their business in picking the right guys for more than just looks, but for their temperament, attitude, and willingness to perform. Otherwise, why are they here, but to entertain the members?

 

[BrokeStraightBoys]

We have taken many member suggestions and always take into consideration many of your suggestions, comments, ideas etc. Over 95% of adult sites don't even have a message board where you can express your thoughts. So if you take just that into consideration I think we care what our members think more than any other adult site.

 

[glenn323]

And your message board is great. You let people air their thoughts, both positive and negative. Kudos for that.

 

[rallen1961b]

Hell yeah to Rob

I think Rob is funny as hell and would love to see him on Broke Straight Boys

 

[rallen1961b]

Get off Jimmy's ass he is getting better

 

[Smiley]

Get off Jimmy's ass

Yeah, or it will cost you $10,000!


BTW, I completely agree with the OP. Any shortcomings of BSB2.0 is on the heads of management, not the models.

And thank you for this board, Mark.

 

[kev20]

If this were television

If this were television, the big studios would have cancelled this series within the first three weeks!!

The studios would have to agree the concept was good, but the production company wasn't up to par to please their target audience.

If This Were Television....​

Just a quick point - I've been a member of Broke Straight Boys's for about 3.5 years, joined the forums about 2 years ago and have posted less than 10 messages. I would suspect there are many others who have not joined the forums and/or choose not to comment on many of the threads; therefore, it's pretty assumptive to call the message boards the target audience that should dictate cancellation. Instead, it would be low membership...and sinse we are not privy to information, it's probably best to let the "big studio" decide when it's time to throw in the towel...hopefully, it will be no time soon.

 

[mikeyank]

Just a quick point - I've been a member of Broke Straight Boys's for about 3.5 years, joined the forums about 2 years ago and have posted less than 10 messages. I would suspect there are many others who have not joined the forums and/or choose not to comment on many of the threads; therefore, it's pretty assumptive to call the message boards the target audience that should dictate cancellation. Instead, it would be low membership...and sinse we are not privy to information, it's probably best to let the "big studio" decide when it's time to throw in the towel...hopefully, it will be no time soon.

Kev, That is a point that I've tried to make many times here. While there is a very vocal core on the forum who are often "up in arms" about models and style of scenes, we have no idea what percentage of overall membership we represent.

Therefore it is rather pompous and presumptive when forumites say things like we are "all" outraged or disappointed in what we are seeing. Neither you nor I can say that we represent anything more than our own opinions.

And yes the success or failure of this website depends on overall membership, and not the words of the minority of us who choose to post.