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Same sex marriage coming to Florida

Attorney General Bondi said Friday she would accept the Supreme Court's decision.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...07ccec-87cc-11e4-a702-fa31ff4ae98e_story.html



I guess from the lack of posts here that it would be logical for you to presume that many of us could have or did see this on the same washington post link you did; I also saw it on NYTimes, Huffington Post, Politico, Towleroad, Advocate.com, Out.com, Human Rights campaign FB page and several others. You are not the only forumite who reads or gets info from a multiplicty of sources. And all when it happened on the 19th. You must have better things to do than recycle day old news - or maybe not!
 
I guess from the lack of posts here that it would be logical for you to presume that many of us could have or did see this on the same washington post link you did; I also saw it on NYTimes, Huffington Post, Politico, Towleroad, Advocate.com, Out.com, Human Rights campaign FB page and several others. You are not the only forumite who reads or gets info from a multiplicty of sources. And all when it happened on the 19th. You must have better things to do than recycle day old news - or maybe not!

And you must not have much going on if you read SEVEN different sources that all have pretty much the same news!
 
And you must not have much going on if you read SEVEN different sources that all have pretty much the same news!



You shouldn't show your ignorance so freely! Each of these sources send daily news updates featuring a wide variety of subjects. Only one lead with the Fla. story. As I perused the others for news, I noticed that they all had coverage of the Fla. story. It is not illogical to presume that on this forum members would be exposed to or access any one of these outlets which are either gay related or covered gay related news.
 
I think Louis was Just letting us know that the State he lives in recognizes same-sex marriage and that he is proud of that!!
 
You shouldn't show your ignorance so freely! Each of these sources send daily news updates featuring a wide variety of subjects. Only one lead with the Fla. story. As I perused the others for news, I noticed that they all had coverage of the Fla. story. It is not illogical to presume that on this forum members would be exposed to or access any one of these outlets which are either gay related or covered gay related news.

WOW!!! Really??? And all this time I've been waiting every night for the gay tribal drums.

Your "ignorance" is that you don't know that condescension is the 8th deadly sin.
 
I for one am thrilled that gay marriage is coming to my home state. Our Republican attorney general Pam Bondi is still trying to find any legal loophole she can to prevent it. She's trying to say now that since the original lawsuit pertained to one particular county within the state, (that was found to be unconstitutional) that the ban on same sex marriage is still in effect in all the other counties. And that therefore she needs to see a legal "uniformity" (her choice of words) within the state. She is vague as to what kind of legal decision would need to be handed down in order to achieve this legal clarification. She has threatened county clerks in all the other counties of the state of being fined and found to be in "malfeasance" of their duties if they issue same sex marriage licenses. In other words, she will have them fired.

So the saga continues even though she and our corrupt governor have already lost the battle.
 
Where Gay Marriage in Florida Stands Right Now

Here's a quick recap of the controversy in Florida. The state is already well known for providing some weird and bizarre national headlines. So I guess this is just par for the course. Keep in mind that the electorate here is divided into a huge percentage of people born outside the state. Many of them have a great divergence of opinion on politics and social issues. The wealthier transplant residents have many conservative Republicans among them. Then there are the native Seminole Indians, native born Florida crackers, the good 'ole boy rednecks, the liberals and other liberal Florida transplant residents...and a huge segment of latinos from all over Ibero-America. Florida is also part of the original Confederacy and the Jim Crow South. So you add all those populations and cultures together, plus the historical background, and stir. lol You end up with a state where Republicans have a solid majority in state government and the U.S. Congress, yet can also render a statewide vote for a Democratic president (Obama) two elections in a row.

Here is some of the latest news regarding how gay marriage is playing out here. Knowing our governor and how conservative Pam Bondi is, it's probably not all that surprising that they would fight this tooth and nail.


Source: Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-...o-kn_b_6389478.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Something big's going to happen in Florida next week, we just don't know what yet. The Supreme Court is going to examine multiple marriage cases in early January. And new polling shows support for marriage higher than ever.

A federal judge says that Florida's marriage ban is unconstitutional. Most of the state's clerks say they're going to enforce it anyway. The Supreme Court says that marriages can go ahead and start. A law firm for the clerks says that if they issue the licenses they could be arrested. But civil rights groups say that if they don't issue licenses, they could be held in contempt of court. It's all very confusing!

Marriage is supposed to start on January 6th in Florida. There are 67 clerks in the state, and as of last week, 46 said they'll refuse to issue licenses, six say they don't know what they'll do, and thirteen haven't given an answer. One county will have to issue licenses -- that's Washington County, which is the only one named in the lawsuit. Only one other county, Osceola County, plans to issue licenses as of midnight on the 6th.

Meanwhile, the federal judge who ruled that the marriage ban is unconstitutional has ordered state officials to explain exactly what they plan to do next week. His ruling back in August was very clear that his order to lift the ban applies to pretty much everyone. And other federal courts have indicated that they don't expect to reverse that ruling. So it's a little frustrating that the clerks are continuing to stall on issuing those licenses with just a few days left before marriage is supposed to start. You have one week to figure this out, Florida. Get it together.

Meanwhile, on Friday of next week, the Supreme Court will meet to decide whether to take marriage cases from the Sixth Circuit. That's a big deal because those are the only Circuit Court cases that upheld marriage bans. Because that ruling conflicts with rulings in other circuits, the justices are more likely to want to take those cases. We won't know their decision right away, but we could find out the week after. If they take one or more cases, we can expect oral argument in the spring, and then a ruling by this summer.
 
Thank-you, Tampa, for a clear explanation. As a native Florida "cracker", I have been following this closely. I'll just tell you that Florida politics has changed drastically in my lifetime, as well as the populace. First the people knocked down medicinal herb, and now this fight. What is happening? Did some mean people move in? It used to be so friendly. Neighbor helping neighbor. Live and let live. Growing up, I remember a gay couple down the street. No one ever talked about them. They were wonderful neighbors in a high end part of town. We always waved when driving by. They were usually in their yard landscaping, painting, or some other upgrade. When a county clerk goes rogue, some discipline is in order. Suppose to represent the "People".
Remember the civil rights movement in the 60s? The men with signs hanging around their necks? "I am a man"? Maybe it's time to hang our own signs "I am PEOPLE". Represent me!
 
This is all very frustrating to me as a native Floridian and having been "out" publicly most of my life. I could start name-calling but I won't. However, the top three on my list would be:

Rick Scott
Pam Bondi
Marco Rubio

St. Petersburg, FL has one of the largest gay pride celebrations and parade in the state. This year, the major of the City of Tampa led the parade in June.

I have confidence we will prevail in this issue. As for the three mentioned above, they just need to go back to their offices, sit at their desks and sharpen pencils. That would be more productive than what they are doing now.

Louis
 
Gay Marriage Legal in Florida on January 6th 2015

It's official! This ruling from Judge Hinkle came out yesterday. 1/1/15

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/01/251790/florida-clerks-must-issue-gay.html

MIAMI - All Florida county clerks are bound by the U.S. Constitution not to enforce Florida's gay marriage ban and that any couple seeking a license starting Tuesday should receive one, U.S. District Judge Robert L. Hinkle ruled.

"The preliminary injunction now in effect thus does not require the Clerk to issue licenses to other applicants," Hinkle wrote in an order released Thursday afternoon. "But as set out in the order that announced issuance of the preliminary injunction, the Constitution requires the Clerk to issue such licenses."

"We are thankful that Judge Hinkle agreed with us that the Constitution does not tolerate discrimination and that, beginning Tuesday, Jan. 6, all clerks in Florida have an obligation to issue marriage licenses to couples requesting them," said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

Simon said Hinkle's "injunction has statewide impact because he found the law unconstitutional and therefore as we have been saying, no public official should be acting in accordance with an unconstitutional provision."

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi did not immediately respond to Hinkle's order on the scope of his original injunction.

Broward County Clerk Howard Forman said his office staff will meet first thing Friday morning "to implement the order."

"It was pretty plain," Forman said about Hinkle's ruling.

The ACLU of Florida represents eight same-sex couples legally married elsewhere and LGBT-rights group SAVE in a federal lawsuit seeking to end Florida's 2008 constitutional ban against same-sex marriage.

On Aug. 21, Hinkle declared Florida's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, as have circuit judges in Monroe, Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. Bondi filed appeals in the Monroe, Miami-Dade and federal cases and the judges in those cases each stayed their decisions.

Hinkle's stay in the federal lawsuit expires Monday. Bondi appealed to both the U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court for extensions. Both courts said no.

With the deadline approaching, many county clerks said they would not follow Hinkle's order, based on advice from law firm Greenberg Traurig, which represents the Florida clerks association. Greenberg Traurig lawyers in Tallahassee have said clerks who issue licenses to same-sex couples before rulings by the U.S. or Florida supreme courts face "a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment of not more than one year and a fine of not more than $1,000."

Hinkle said: "History records no shortage of instances when state officials defied federal court orders on issues of federal constitutional law. Happily, there are many more instances when responsible officials followed the law, like it or not. Reasonable people can debate whether the ruling in this case was correct and who it binds."

The judge also warned clerks throughout Florida that if they don't follow his order, they could be sued:

"There should be no debate, however, on the question whether a clerk of court may follow the ruling, even for marriage-license applicants who are not parties to this case. And a clerk who chooses not to follow the ruling should take note: the governing statutes and rules of procedure allow individuals to intervene as plaintiffs in pending actions, allow certification of plaintiff and defendant classes, allow issuance of successive preliminary injunctions, and allow successful plaintiffs to recover costs and attorney's fees."


Miami attorney Richard Milstein, a partner at Akerman and a plaintiff in the federal lawsuit with husband Eric Hankin, said that now "all the people in Florida can get married whether they are heterosexual, gay or lesbian, to the people they love."

Milstein and Hankin married March 12, 2010, in Iowa.
 
I am so happy my State has finally joined forces with other states to legalize and practice equality for all People. Publix supermarket chain also announced they would provide benefits for spouses of same-sex marriages regardless of which state they were married in.

In all my 68 years of life I never thought I would see this day come to pass. I think of all the years of struggle, abuse and ridicule we experienced and endured, I today feel the fight was well worth it.

Tonight, when I go to bed, I will take a deep breath, say a prayer to God, and thank Him for allowing me to be me!

Peace,
Louis

I also ask you to remember Stonewall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The beginning!
 
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This is all very frustrating to me as a native Floridian and having been "out" publicly most of my life. I could start name-calling but I won't. However, the top three on my list would be:

Rick Scott
Pam Bondi
Marco Rubio

St. Petersburg, FL has one of the largest gay pride celebrations and parade in the state. This year, the major of the City of Tampa led the parade in June.

I have confidence we will prevail in this issue. As for the three mentioned above, they just need to go back to their offices, sit at their desks and sharpen pencils. That would be more productive than what they are doing now.

Louis

Keep the faith my brother. My parents dragged me down here in 1976 I was still a child (have been here ever since). Florida has gone to shit since the death of Lawton Chiles. I thought Florida was st it's best under Governor Bob Graham. But in two days Marriage Equality will be here (and it will be here to stay). Unfortunately I will have missed out since the love of my life is no longer with us. I am happy that it is finally here for the people that who are together now.

P.S. Hope this wasn't to much for my first post but on this topic, I had to say something. Take care all.
 
Welcome to the forum Bill! :biggrin:

And I'm sorry for your loss.

Thank you on both counts Tampa24.

We were together 16 years and I helped him raise his son. Life goes on (Gone but not forgotten).

If you're interested, check this out. http://billking.net/david.html wp2e41d94a.gif

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Thank you on both counts Tampa24.

We were together 16 years and I helped him raise his son. Life goes on (Gone but not forgotten).

If you're interested, check this out. http://billking.net/david.html View attachment 13443

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That was very touching, Bill. Thank you for sharing.

My partner and I were together for eleven years. We tried to buy a house together and were told they would not sell a house to two men. We both wanted to adopt a child but were again rejected. We were told that if a single man wanted to adopt a child, it would be possible but since the state knew we were together it was out of the question. We were out and open, but societal pressures forced our relationship to come to an end. That was in 1975. What ensued after that is a very long story which I will not go into details here. However, I will say that after all these years I am still in contact with him by phone and skype. Our lives went in different directions, but through a miracle of fate we resumed contact with each other. To summarized what transpired after we separated, I married a woman and had two children. Lynn met a man in Colorado. They moved to California and eventually adopted a boy which they raised together.

People often ask, "If you could go back, would you do it over again?" My response would be, "Yes, but only under today's customs and standards."

Peace,
Louis
 
Welcome to the forum Bill :welcome: My partner too passed 6 years ago this month. We were together 20 years and his two kids are still a big part of my life.

Thank you Peter. Next month will be 9 years for me. If you poke around my site, you will see what happened to his son (my adopted son).

May they be a big part of your life for many years to come.
 
That was very touching, Bill. Thank you for sharing.

My partner and I were together for eleven years. We tried to buy a house together and were told they would not sell a house to two men. We both wanted to adopt a child but were again rejected. We were told that if a single man wanted to adopt a child, it would be possible but since the state knew we were together it was out of the question. We were out and open, but societal pressures forced our relationship to come to an end. That was in 1975. What ensued after that is a very long story which I will not go into details here. However, I will say that after all these years I am still in contact with him by phone and skype. Our lives went in different directions, but through a miracle of fate we resumed contact with each other. To summarized what transpired after we separated, I married a woman and had two children. Lynn met a man in Colorado. They moved to California and eventually adopted a boy which they raised together.

People often ask, "If you could go back, would you do it over again?" My response would be, "Yes, but only under today's customs and standards."

Peace,
Louis

Yes that was a different era (I am so sorry that had happened to you and your loved one. Your response is spot on.

Since I lost David, I have not been able to date another man for romance (that's not to say I have not hooked up with some just to relieve urges (a man's got to do what a man's got to do)).

I'm not saying I won't ever find the right man again, but if I do that would be great. I'm not lokking forward going into my golden years alone. wp61f8012f_06.png

I am so glad that this site has a forum, I don't get out much any more to socialize, but chatting with people on the web helps. Everyone one so far I have chatted with has been great including you.

I hope to chat with many more. wpae04bc39.gif

Peace
Bill
 
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