One More Ethan Steel scene coming up on December 23, 2019 (Ethan Steel Fucks Max Jay)

[SFPS01]

I can't really tell which side of this issue I'm on, actually. The "PERVERT" in me has always like the haughty straight boy attitude of Jimmy Johnson. All he seems to care about is how sex makes his dick feel at the moment. If the other guy likes it, or doesn't like it. If its painful or feels good to the bottom, JJ doesn't seem to bother his pretty head about such matters. I've known a lot of straight boys like that. It only matters to his dick. And in a way, that's hot to me. PTL!

And I must say. Ethan is a pretty boy with a big dick. He just climbs up on a bottom and fucks the shit out of them. Busts his straight boy nuts and then goes home. That's pretty hot to me.

But hay! I'm a proud pervert. This is pornography. I feel like I can enjoy it here but act like in Sunday School that its just AWFUL! LOLOLOL.

Pornography. Damn, what a deal.

love your attitude StudddAndy. You tell it like it is!

 

[tampa24]

As long as you want to go there again Tampa, i will again present the facts to you.

You said, "The company was trapped by its own contract to keep giving him more scenes/work for a year regardless of how well or how awful his work was. And he took full advantage of that fact. Knowing they couldn't fire him without cause or let him go early, unless they bought out the rest of his contract and paid him to walk away."

If that is how the company felt as Jimmy's last scene was released on Broke Straight Boys on March 8, 2012, then why was he re-hired to appear on the Broke Straight Boys-TV series which debuted in late 2014? If I owned a company and felt trapped by an employee whose work I felt was "awful", I surely wouldn't rehire him a few years after his contract with my company had expired. It wouldn't make sense.

And if I were Mark, I would not have hired him yet again as Mark did to appear on the LOGO series DTLA playing Bobby, after his contract with Broke Straight Boys had expired?

"Additionally, I checked out men's website and I see that Jimmy appeared in 24 scenes between 5/19/13 and 5/3/15. Between his 27 scenes on Broke Straight Boys and his 24 on Men.com, he did 51 scenes over four years. I would consider that a successful gay for pay porn career. You can say that you don't like him or enjoy his work, as other's are saying about Ethan today, but to say that he did not "make it" in gay for pay porn is factually inaccurate."

"And if I were Mark, I would not have hired him yet again as Mark did to appear on the LOGO series DTLA playing Bobby, after his contract with Broke Straight Boys had expired?"

Well alright my friend,

Let's start there. I could be wrong here. My memory is not perfect. But the way I recall it, JJ was hired (and filmed) for the tv show while he was still working here. Many of us assumed it would be JJ chosen for the DTLA show as soon as Mark told us a Broke Straight Boys model would be cast for it. His contract hadn't ended before he was cast for the show. I don't know where the claim comes from that JJ was hired for DTLA after both his contract and his year here were over. I don't remember it that way.

It's possible that the show itself didn't air on tv until a later date after JJ had left the site. But that's not the same thing as saying that Mark was so pleased with JJ's work here, that he hired him again for DTLA after his contract here had ended. If Mark and the powers that be were really so happy with JJ's work here in the first year...then they would have quickly renewed his contract. Instead, they purposely didn't renew it.

"Additionally, I checked out men's website and I see that Jimmy appeared in 24 scenes between 5/19/13 and 5/3/15. Between his 27 scenes on Broke Straight Boys and his 24 on Men.com, he did 51 scenes over four years. I would consider that a successful gay for pay porn career. You can say that you don't like him or enjoy his work, as other's are saying about Ethan today, but to say that he did not "make it" in gay for pay porn is factually inaccurate."

Now when you are right Mikey, I will admit it. haha (Even if part of me doesn't want to. lol) That is indeed your strongest argument in defense of your boy JJ. haha When you go by the numbers, that equals a successful career in porn. On paper at least. But you're right that he had a successful career in porn based on the number of scenes he did, and probably the obscene amount of money he raked in.

All I will say though is that as far as his time here at Broke Straight Boys, quantity in numbers does not axiomatically equal quality. Just because he got a ton of scenes here and made a lot of money, doesn't necessarily mean that he earned or deserved all of those breaks. Walking in the door with an exclusive one year contract doesn't equate to having what it takes to "make it" in porn. To say that someone "makes it" in porn strongly implies that they achieve this through great looks, exceptional talent and hard work.

I never saw JJ display exceptional talent or hard work in his 27 scenes here on Broke Straight Boys In my opinion (and yes, it's only one opinion), he showed up on set, went through the motions, phoned in many scenes, let his scene partners do the majority of the actual work, and got paid a premium for it as an "exclusive" contracted model. I'm happy though that some other people were pleased with his work here so that that money was not completely squandered.

But getting back to the original premise of our mutual friend Rep (where this started), I merely state that I don't agree with the premise that JJ had what it took to "make it" in gay porn (if the presumption again is that he achieved this success based on looks, talent and hard work) whereas Ethan probably does not have what it takes. I don't even know if Ethan wants a long career in porn. But even though Ethan has underwhelmed and struggled in the ratings and reviews here in his opening scenes, if a model like JJ can "make it" in porn, then I believe a model of Ethan's looks and potential talent can also.

Rep did qualify his statement by making mention of the fact that the porn industry has changed a lot since JJ's day. And of course he's absolutely right that the whole climate and marketplace for the porn industry is much tougher than it used to be. It's less and less easy for a porn model (no matter how beautiful, talented or hardworking) to "make it", become successful and make good money in the process.

 

[mikeyank]

"And if I were Mark, I would not have hired him yet again as Mark did to appear on the LOGO series DTLA playing Bobby, after his contract with Broke Straight Boys had expired?"

Well alright my friend,

Let's start there. I could be wrong here. My memory is not perfect. But the way I recall it, JJ was hired (and filmed) for the tv show while he was still working here. Many of us assumed it would be JJ chosen for the DTLA show as soon as Mark told us a Broke Straight Boys model would be cast for it. His contract hadn't ended before he was cast for the show. I don't know where the claim comes from that JJ was hired for DTLA after both his contract and his year here were over. I don't remember it that way.

It's possible that the show itself didn't air on tv until a later date after JJ had left the site. But that's not the same thing as saying that Mark was so pleased with JJ's work here, that he hired him again for DTLA after his contract here had ended. If Mark and the powers that be were really so happy with JJ's work here in the first year...then they would have quickly renewed his contract. Instead, they purposely didn't renew it.

"Additionally, I checked out men's website and I see that Jimmy appeared in 24 scenes between 5/19/13 and 5/3/15. Between his 27 scenes on Broke Straight Boys and his 24 on Men.com, he did 51 scenes over four years. I would consider that a successful gay for pay porn career. You can say that you don't like him or enjoy his work, as other's are saying about Ethan today, but to say that he did not "make it" in gay for pay porn is factually inaccurate."

Now when you are right Mikey, I will admit it. haha (Even if part of me doesn't want to. lol) That is indeed your strongest argument in defense of your boy JJ. haha When you go by the numbers, that equals a successful career in porn. On paper at least. But you're right that he had a successful career in porn based on the number of scenes he did, and probably the obscene amount of money he raked in.

All I will say though is that as far as his time here at Broke Straight Boys, quantity in numbers does not axiomatically equal quality. Just because he got a ton of scenes here and made a lot of money, doesn't necessarily mean that he earned or deserved all of those breaks. Walking in the door with an exclusive one year contract doesn't equate to having what it takes to "make it" in porn. To say that someone "makes it" in porn strongly implies that they achieve this through great looks, exceptional talent and hard work.

I never saw JJ display exceptional talent or hard work in his 27 scenes here on Broke Straight Boys In my opinion (and yes, it's only one opinion), he showed up on set, went through the motions, phoned in many scenes, let his scene partners do the majority of the actual work, and got paid a premium for it as an "exclusive" contracted model. I'm happy though that some other people were pleased with his work here so that that money was not completely squandered.

But getting back to the original premise of our mutual friend Rep (where this started), I merely state that I don't agree with the premise that JJ had what it took to "make it" in gay porn (if the presumption again is that he achieved this success based on looks, talent and hard work) whereas Ethan probably does not have what it takes. I don't even know if Ethan wants a long career in porn. But even though Ethan has underwhelmed and struggled in the ratings and reviews here in his opening scenes, if a model like JJ can "make it" in porn, then I believe a model of Ethan's looks and potential talent can also.

Rep did qualify his statement by making mention of the fact that the porn industry has changed a lot since JJ's day. And of course he's absolutely right that the whole climate and marketplace for the porn industry is much tougher than it used to be. It's less and less easy for a porn model (no matter how beautiful, talented or hardworking) to "make it", become successful and make good money in the process.

The DTLA Series was released on October 24, 2012. And Jimmy's last scene was on Broke Straight Boys was "Jimmy & Bradley", released on March 8, 2012. I don't know if Jimmy's two episodes on DTLA were shot during or after his time as a model on Broke Straight Boys, but it was definitely a separate gig that Mark hired him for and he was paid separately.

And you didn't comment on my point that Jimmy's last scene was released on Broke Straight Boys on March 8, 2012, then why was he re-hired to appear on the Broke Straight Boys-TV series which debuted in late 2014?

Tampa you have every right to dislike Jimmy as a porn performer, but I don't think it is fair when you project your feelings as "facts", when they are just opinions, the same way as people who say that Ethan Steel, (the subject of this thread) is not a good porn performer. It is all subjective and while I respect anyone who does not enjoy either Jimmy or Ethan on Broke Straight Boys, but please keep in mind that some people, myself included enjoy both very much! There is nor right or wrong in porn, it is all individual taste.

 

[mikeyank]

I can't really tell which side of this issue I'm on, actually. The "PERVERT" in me has always like the haughty straight boy attitude of Jimmy Johnson. All he seems to care about is how sex makes his dick feel at the moment. If the other guy likes it, or doesn't like it. If its painful or feels good to the bottom, JJ doesn't seem to bother his pretty head about such matters. I've known a lot of straight boys like that. It only matters to his dick. And in a way, that's hot to me. PTL!

And I must say. Ethan is a pretty boy with a big dick. He just climbs up on a bottom and fucks the shit out of them. Busts his straight boy nuts and then goes home. That's pretty hot to me.

But hay! I'm a proud pervert. This is pornography. I feel like I can enjoy it here but act like in Sunday School that its just AWFUL! LOLOLOL.

Pornography. Damn, what a deal.

I am in complete agreement with you StudddAndy! It is indeed pornography and we don't have to be politically correct in the least. If we get turned on by a model and his on screen persona, then it works for us, and it is good pornography for us! I love it when management offers a whole array of various types of performers here from whom we can pick and choose what turns us on. And Ethan Steel is a kid whose work I enjoy very much as his pretty face, his sexy body and his wise ass attitude are a turn-on for me!

 

[Foxyman1961]

The DTLA Series was released on October 24, 2012. And Jimmy's last scene was on Broke Straight Boys was "Jimmy & Bradley", released on March 8, 2012. I don't know if Jimmy's two episodes on DTLA were shot during or after his time as a model on Broke Straight Boys, but it was definitely a separate gig that Mark hired him for and he was paid separately.

And you didn't comment on my point that Jimmy's last scene was released on Broke Straight Boys on March 8, 2012, then why was he re-hired to appear on the Broke Straight Boys-TV series which debuted in late 2014?

Tampa you have every right to dislike Jimmy as a porn performer, but I don't think it is fair when you project your feelings as "facts", when they are just opinions, the same way as people who say that Ethan Steel, (the subject of this thread) is not a good porn performer. It is all subjective and while I respect anyone who does not enjoy either Jimmy or Ethan on Broke Straight Boys, but please keep in mind that some people, myself included enjoy both very much! There is nor right or wrong in porn, it is all individual taste.

I totally accept and agree Mikeyank with what you say that a polarising performer like Ethan has his detractors as well as supporters. However do you not agree whether you like a performer or not that we should expect as paying customers of this site a certain level of improvement in performance scene on scene? If so can you honestly say that you see this in Ethan's performance? I know I have said this before but the core of my argument comes back to the fact that Ethan refuses to embrace the expectation of this site in that we do not just want to see a model top, do a couple of positions and nothing else. Variety is key and if you watch the current Ryan and Ethan E pre scene you can see that these guys want to please the members that watch and give a performance that show both are adapting and improving scene on scene. Until Ethan S can show the same he is always going to attract criticism.

 

[mikeyank]

I totally accept and agree Mikeyank with what you say that a polarising performer like Ethan has his detractors as well as supporters. However do you not agree whether you like a performer or not that we should expect as paying customers of this site a certain level of improvement in performance scene on scene? If so can you honestly say that you see this in Ethan's performance? I know I have said this before but the core of my argument comes back to the fact that Ethan refuses to embrace the expectation of this site in that we do not just want to see a model top, do a couple of positions and nothing else. Variety is key and if you watch the current Ryan and Ethan E pre scene you can see that these guys want to please the members that watch and give a performance that show both are adapting and improving scene on scene. Until Ethan S can show the same he is always going to attract criticism.

I do completely understand where you are coming from Foxyman. However I do not think that you totally see where I am coming from. I am into watching handsome, sexy, young straight guys with an edge, who are probably deluding themselves about their level of attraction to having sex with other guys. But I am turned on by the cocky attitude that, "I am the straight guy", and the other guy is gay who is going to suck my dick or take my dick up his hole. The reality is that if he were totally straight, this is not where he would be working, even to just supplement his income for his fledgling business.

Back in the eighties, I would vacation along the strip in Fort Lauderdale and i would pick up young hustlers, much like Ethan and give them forty or fifty bucks and bring them back to my motel room, where they would talk about girls and how straight they were while I would suck them off. This turned me on to be sucking the dick of a straight guy, (while I knew that they were also doing it for the thrill of having sexual contact with a man, but would never admit to themselves). Ethan reminds me very much of many of those guys.

My whole attraction to Broke Straight Boys when I found it a decade ago was to watch these kind of guys, like Mike Robbins, Jordan Grant and Tank Shane. They said over and over again that they were straight, as I loved watching their pretty faces and beautiful bodies and cocks show otherwise. So my point Foxyman is that I am NOT a paying customers of this site who wants to see that certain level of "improvement" in performance scene on scene", and that not all members have the same expectations from the models.

I was never part of the majority of members who posted on the forum on this subject, but I do have to say that I had more support back in the early days, as many members who wanted what I want have left this site as it does not deliver what they were looking for. I am not asking for Sha to go back to hiring as many of those types of guys as we had in 2009 or 2010, but when we occasionally get a Jonny Cox, an Axel Kane or even a James Nearwater, I don't want for them to "improve" to the point where they perform the same way as the gay and bi models. We've had many models over the years who start off as "my kind" of straight guy, but as they've "progressed" on the site, my interest has waned. Again, I know I am in the vast minority with my fetish, but that is why I love watching Ethan as much as I do and I am not looking for "improvement". I am not asking for you or anyone else to agree with me, just to understand where I am coming from and why I love Ethan just the way he is. lol.

 

[Foxyman1961]

I do completely understand where you are coming from Foxyman. However I do not think that you totally see where I am coming from. I am into watching handsome, sexy, young straight guys with an edge, who are probably deluding themselves about their level of attraction to having sex with other guys. But I am turned on by the cocky attitude that, "I am the straight guy", and the other guy is gay who is going to suck my dick or take my dick up his hole. The reality is that if he were totally straight, this is not where he would be working, even to just supplement his income for his fledgling business.

Back in the eighties, I would vacation along the strip in Fort Lauderdale and i would pick up young hustlers, much like Ethan and give them forty or fifty bucks and bring them back to my motel room, where they would talk about girls and how straight they were while I would suck them off. This turned me on to be sucking the dick of a straight guy, (while I knew that they were also doing it for the thrill of having sexual contact with a man, but would never admit to themselves). Ethan reminds me very much of many of those guys.

My whole attraction to Broke Straight Boys when I found it a decade ago was to watch these kind of guys, like Mike Robbins, Jordan Grant and Tank Shane. They said over and over again that they were straight, as I loved watching their pretty faces and beautiful bodies and cocks show otherwise. So my point Foxyman is that I am NOT a paying customers of this site who wants to see that certain level of "improvement" in performance scene on scene", and that not all members have the same expectations from the models.

I was never part of the majority of members who posted on the forum on this subject, but I do have to say that I had more support back in the early days, as many members who wanted what I want have left this site as it does not deliver what they were looking for. I am not asking for Sha to go back to hiring as many of those types of guys as we had in 2009 or 2010, but when we occasionally get a Jonny Cox, an Axel Kane or even a James Nearwater, I don't want for them to "improve" to the point where they perform the same way as the gay and bi models. We've had many models over the years who start off as "my kind" of straight guy, but as they've "progressed" on the site, my interest has waned. Again, I know I am in the vast minority with my fetish, but that is why I love watching Ethan as much as I do and I am not looking for "improvement". I am not asking for you or anyone else to agree with me, just to understand where I am coming from and why I love Ethan just the way he is. lol.

Mikeyank, it may surprise you to know that actually I do understand where you are coming from regarding these type of models. When I say improvement I am more talking about technique here rather than expect every models to become a raving bottom. I have absolutely no problem with any models who wants to maintain the perception that they are straight, after all the site is called Broke Straight Boys but I think for any model to succeed here on Broke Straight Boys or any other site they must vary the performance, different positions would help, if they don't want to suck a dick then maybe they could jerk their partner off, edging is a big turn on for many on this site. Using sex toys could also add to the attraction . There are numerous ways a performer can up their game, I just dont see this with Ethan. I at no time want you to think that guys like Ethan no longer have a place I think they do but they must realise that it's not just a case of fucking a guy on camera but the quality and technique on how they do this. As I have said before on other strands Ethan is a good looking lad and on first glance sexy as hell, but his performance for me simply does not meet expectations.

 

[mikeyank]

Mikeyank, it may surprise you to know that actually I do understand where you are coming from regarding these type of models. When I say improvement I am more talking about technique here rather than expect every models to become a raving bottom. I have absolutely no problem with any models who wants to maintain the perception that they are straight, after all the site is called Broke Straight Boys but I think for any model to succeed here on Broke Straight Boys or any other site they must vary the performance, different positions would help, if they don't want to suck a dick then maybe they could jerk their partner off, edging is a big turn on for many on this site. Using sex toys could also add to the attraction . There are numerous ways a performer can up their game, I just dont see this with Ethan. I at no time want you to think that guys like Ethan no longer have a place I think they do but they must realise that it's not just a case of fucking a guy on camera but the quality and technique on how they do this. As I have said before on other strands Ethan is a good looking lad and on first glance sexy as hell, but his performance for me simply does not meet expectations.

I understand and respect your point of view Foxyman!

 

[Repareur]

I understand and respect your point of view Foxyman!

Ethan is a one trick pony but Mikeyank likes his trick. The rest of us are getting board but I don’t mind. I get an occasional Cody scene or one of the less popular guys I like. What really boars me is all the gay twinks.

 

[SFPS01]

Mikeyank, it may surprise you to know that actually I do understand where you are coming from regarding these type of models. When I say improvement I am more talking about technique here rather than expect every models to become a raving bottom. I have absolutely no problem with any models who wants to maintain the perception that they are straight, after all the site is called Broke Straight Boys but I think for any model to succeed here on Broke Straight Boys or any other site they must vary the performance, different positions would help, if they don't want to suck a dick then maybe they could jerk their partner off, edging is a big turn on for many on this site. Using sex toys could also add to the attraction . There are numerous ways a performer can up their game, I just dont see this with Ethan. I at no time want you to think that guys like Ethan no longer have a place I think they do but they must realise that it's not just a case of fucking a guy on camera but the quality and technique on how they do this. As I have said before on other strands Ethan is a good looking lad and on first glance sexy as hell, but his performance for me simply does not meet expectations.

May I say that "expectations" usually bring disappointments. Maybe just take what you get and either like it or don't like it. Your right as a paying customer....

 

[Foxyman1961]

May I say that "expectations" usually bring disappointments. Maybe just take what you get and either like it or don't like it. Your right as a paying customer....

I take your point too SFPS01

 

[SGVBOB]

you yourself said it. I/we did not 'turn'. Rather, AS YOU SAID, the site was 'supposed to be about straight guys having sex with gay guys', thus/ergo, the TITLE of this site.

Very well said and also very true. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some folks want to turn a straight boy into a gay boy when in actuality this site was "suppose" to be about straight boys having sex with other straight boys and some gay boys. I am sorry, but as soon as a real straight boy starts getting fucked by another boy, NEWS FLASH, he isn't straight any more, and probably never was. Bi maybe, but certainly not straight. Not sure why we can't get off this dead horse and let the straight boys do what they are comfortable with and the Bi boys do what they are comfortable with, and let the gay boys do everything. It would be a win win for everyone and something for everyone. Gay men must certainly have an extra "gene" and its a complain gene!

 

[SFPS01]

you yourself said it. I/we did not 'turn'. Rather, AS YOU SAID, the site was 'supposed to be about straight guys having sex with gay guys', thus/ergo, the TITLE of this site.

Not sure what point your attempting to make. Possibly you missed my point. NBD

 

[mikeyank]

Not sure what point your attempting to make. Possibly you missed my point. NBD

I had to google, "NBD". I see it means "No big deal", which is true on this whole discussion. I read some comments on this thread the other day after watching the all day impeachment debates in Congress, and I realize this discussion is much like that one. Each side is firmly ensconced in their position and debating will not sway either side.

I was a fan and still am a fan of Ethan Steel, and look forward to his upcoming scene. For those who are not, there are plenty of other models on the site to be a fan of. Nothing more I can say on it.

 

[Foxyman1961]

I had to google, "NBD". I see it means "No big deal", which is true on this whole discussion. I read some comments on this thread the other day after watching the all day impeachment debates in Congress, and I realize this discussion is much like that one. Each side is firmly ensconced in their position and debating will not sway either side.

I was a fan and still am a fan of Ethan Steel, and look forward to his upcoming scene. For those who are not, there are plenty of other models on the site to be a fan of. Nothing more I can say on it.

Please dont say I have been cast as Donald Trump!!!!!!!lol

 

[tampa24]

Please dont say I have been cast as Donald Trump!!!!!!!lol

Perish the thought! haha

 

[SGVBOB]

agreed....it has been blown way out of proportion, sorry

Not sure what point your attempting to make. Possibly you missed my point. NBD

 

[SFPS01]

Love all you guys.........variety is the spice of life, Merry Christmas to all you boys!

 

[tampa24]

Love all you guys.........variety is the spice of life, Merry Christmas to all you boys!

Merry Christmas SFPS!