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John F. Kennedy Remembered

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48 years ago today, Nov. 22, our country was changed forever. Our President, John F. Kennedy, was murdered in Dallas. For those of us within a certain age range, we can remember where we were and what we were doing when we heard the news. For those too young to remember or not born yet, it may be mystifying as to the allure of this man after all these years. It is one of those situations where you say, "You had to be there." - I don't mean for his death but for the hope he gave this country that we could come together, right the wrongs of the past, be genuine partners with our foreign friends, and yet be wary of our adversaries. He averted a possible nuclear war by using strength, and common sense diplomacy - concepts lost on some of his successors. He was a breath of fresh air and hope for a country that had grown somnolent. My interest and involvement in politics started with his Presidential campaign and I remain today a proud JFK Democrat.

In an ancient prayer of my and his Catholic faith I say, "May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God, Rest In Peace!"

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48 years ago today, Nov. 22, our country was changed forever. Our President, John F. Kennedy, was murdered in Dallas. For those of us within a certain age range, we can remember where we were and what we were doing when we heard the news. For those too young to remember or not born yet, it may be mystifying as to the allure of this man after all these years. It is one of those situations where you say, "You had to be there." - I don't mean for his death but for the hope he gave this country that we could come together, right the wrongs of the past, be genuine partners with our foreign friends, and yet be wary of our adversaries. He averted a possible nuclear war by using strength, and common sense diplomacy - concepts lost on some of his successors. He was a breath of fresh air and hope for a country that had grown somnolent. My interest and involvement in politics started with his Presidential campaign and I remain today a proud JFK Democrat.

In an ancient prayer of my and his Catholic faith I say, "May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God, Rest In Peace!"

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Yes Stowe, I am of age, and have a vivid recollection of Friday, November 22, 1963, and the three days that followed, including the killing of Lee Harvey Oswald on live television on Saturday, and the moving funeral in Washington DC on the following Monday.

It was all very shocking, and sad, and the memories of that weekend were forever etched into my memory, and perspective of a 13 year old boy, who had followed the Kennedy election, and handed out Kennedy leaflets in my neighborhood as a 10 year old boy.

The mention of November 22, will always bring me right back to where I was, (in Junior High School), when the shocking news was reported, and I will have these sad memories for the rest of my life. Thank you Stowe, for recognizing and paying tribute to John Fitzgerald Kennedy, our 35th president, on this date, 48 years later.
 
I too remember the tragic effects of that week. All I need do is close my eyes, and I can picture my teacher giving us the news. We were told about 1:15 pm. I can smell the smells of that afternoon, i can picture my teacher's tears, the reactions all around me. I can still hear the words, and the gasps and crying that followed.

Amazing how our senses record all that information and that it stays with us the rest of our lives! Much like the tragic events of 9/11.
 
One of the biggest events in my life

48 years ago today, Nov. 22, our country was changed forever. Our President, John F. Kennedy, was murdered in Dallas. For those of us within a certain age range, we can remember where we were and what we were doing when we heard the news. For those too young to remember or not born yet, it may be mystifying as to the allure of this man after all these years. It is one of those situations where you say, "You had to be there." - I don't mean for his death but for the hope he gave this country that we could come together, right the wrongs of the past, be genuine partners with our foreign friends, and yet be wary of our adversaries. He averted a possible nuclear war by using strength, and common sense diplomacy - concepts lost on some of his successors. He was a breath of fresh air and hope for a country that had grown somnolent. My interest and involvement in politics started with his Presidential campaign and I remain today a proud JFK Democrat.

In an ancient prayer of my and his Catholic faith I say, "May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God, Rest In Peace!"

_________________________________

Yes Stowe, I am of age, and have a vivid recollection of the illfated afternoon in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and the three days that followed, including the killing of Lee Harvey Oswald on live television on Saturday, and the moving funeral in Washington DC on the following Monday.

It was all very shocking, and sad, and the memories of that weekend were forever etched into my memory, and perspective of a 13 year old boy, who had followed the Kennedy election, and handed out Kennedy leaflets in my neighborhood as a 10 year old boy.

The mention of November 22, will always bring me right back to where I was, (in Junior High School), when the shocking news was reported, and I will have these sad memories for the rest of my life. Thank you Stowe, for recognizing and paying tribute to John Fitzgerald Kennedy, our 35th president, on this date, 48 years later.

Dearest Stowe1,

On November 22, 1963 I was sitting in my 10th grade English class and the announcement came over the intercom that President Kennedy had been shot. I attended a Catholic High School and JFK was the first Catholic elected to be President. We did not know whether he was still alive or not at the time of the announcement. We ALL immediately began praying for him, praying desperately that the injury was not too severe. We had no idea what exactly had taken place in Dallas. Back then, the President was almost considered as a part of one's family, like a father-figure to be respected and because of his relative young age, our relating to him as a father-figure seemed that much more real. Things have changed considerably since that ill-fated day in 1963. Finally, by the end of the day, we were told that JFK had died from his gunshot wounds and LBJ would soon be sworn in as President. This bond my generation had formed with JFK was stretched almost to the breaking point with the mere idea of LBJ taking his place.

Unless you lived in this era, you cannot possibly imagine the degree of loss that was perceived not only here in the US but internationally as well by JFK's assassination. There was no such thing as the 24hr news cycle or CNN or the internet to check on the latest developments. I remember it was a universal truth that most Americans were in a state of shock that evening. People everywhere and in all households were affixed to their TV's, much like I imagine when FDR during WWII would give his "Fireside chats". Everybody was in a national sense of unity, the likes of which I have never witnessed before nor since, until the attach of 9/11. We were all asking how this could have possibly happened here in America?

No one could ever forget watching the iconic Walter Cronkite in his most iconic moment reporting of this event on TV throughout the day. He had to pause for a moment to gather his composure as the news camera continued to film as he wiped his glasses resulting from his grief as he announced Kennedy's death. Everybody, regardless of party affiliation, felt a great deal of vulnerability and loss as the "Cold War" and the "Cuban Missile Crisis" were not so far back that nuclear consequences from an attack by our Communist Enemies was not so far removed from becoming a plausible reality.

Yet, the assassinations of both Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King were horrible at first hearing about the event, but I no longer seemed so inconceivable to imagine. To this very day while I am certainly not death obsessed, but seeing the footage of the Presidential motorcade for just a few seconds, with Kennedy sitting in the back seat, just causes me to suddenly shift back to 1963 and my tears begin to flow again. Younger generations understandably cannot imagine having such a youthful and positive President in office. A little of the nostalgia was initially momentarily reassigned to the O'Bama administration. But JFK's 1000 day term of office, referred to as "Camelot" with his beautiful and glamorous First Lady "Jackie" alongside him represents a unique moment in history for America, that ended abruptly with his death. Sadly, it seems never to return to America again.

It was a time for renewed cultural/ethical/scientific/constitutional advances for our nation in the true spirit of a modern day multifaceted renaissance and rededication to the "best of whatever America had to offer its people and their aspirations". The energy JFK's administration amassed came from the optimistic view that all areas needing improvement could be approached all at once and from all angles with the hope for a brighter and better future as its driving force. Then, in the blink of an eye, this sense of euphoria came to an abrupt halt on November 22, 1963 as Kennedy died from his bullet wounds.

I feel nothing throughout our nation's history has so effectively derailed our national progress and our aspirations that, emerging merely as a consequence to this tragic event, has so robbed all future American generations of the great dynamic nation that we once were in 1963 and the depth of our dreams we, once upon a time, aspired to in Camelot. The two assassinations that followed, namely Robert F Kennedy and Martin Luther King, only added more nails in our national coffin and the former glory and vitality of our aspirations.

Forty-eight years later, we still don't know exactly if this was some type of "coup d'état" with J Edgar Hoover joining forces with the mob to get rid of the "threatening to the status quo " atmosphere currently thriving in Washington, supporting positive changes in America for the better. Or might it have been merely the actions of some crazed lunatic(Oswald) operating on his own, thinking all the while his misguided actions would result in him becoming some "national hero" for his ignoble efforts!

Sincerely,


Stimpy
 
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Dearest Stowe1,

On November 22, 1963 I was sitting in my 10th grade English class and the announcement came over the intercom that President Kennedy had been shot. I attended a Catholic High School and JFK was the first Catholic elected to be President. We did not know whether he was still alive or not at the time of the announcement. We ALL immediately began praying for him, praying desperately that the injury was not too severe. We had no idea what exactly had taken place in Dallas. Back then, the President was almost considered as a part of one's family, like a father-figure to be respected and because of his relative young age, our relating to him as a father-figure seemed that much more real. Things have changed considerably since that ill-fated day in 1963. Finally, by the end of the day, we were told that JFK had died from his gunshot wounds and LBJ would soon be sworn in as President. This bond my generation had formed with JFK was stretched almost to the breaking point with the mere idea of LBJ taking his place.

Unless you lived in this era, you cannot possibly imagine the degree of loss that was perceived not only here in the US but internationally as well by JFK's assassination. There was no such thing as the 24hr news cycle or CNN or the internet to check on the latest developments. I remember it was a universal truth that most Americans were in a state of shock that evening. People everywhere and in all households were affixed to their TV's, much like I imagine when FDR during WWII would give his "Fireside chats". Everybody was in a national sense of unity, the likes of which I have never witnessed before nor since, until the attach of 9/11. We were all asking how this could have possibly happened here in America?

No one could ever forget watching the iconic Walter Cronkite in his most iconic moment reporting of this event on TV throughout the day. He had to pause for a moment to gather his composure as the news camera continued to film as he wiped his glasses resulting from his grief as he announced Kennedy's death. Everybody, regardless of party affiliation, felt a great deal of vulnerability and loss as the "Cold War" and the "Cuban Missile Crisis" were not so far back that nuclear consequences from an attack by our Communist Enemies was not so far removed from becoming a plausible reality.

Yet, the assassinations of both Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King were horrible at first hearing about the event, but I no longer seemed so inconceivable to imagine. To this very day while I am certainly not death obsessed, but seeing the footage of the Presidential motorcade for just a few seconds, with Kennedy sitting in the back seat, just causes me to suddenly shift back to 1963 and my tears begin to flow again. Younger generations understandably cannot imagine having such a youthful and positive President in office. A little of the nostalgia was initially momentarily reassigned to the O'Bama administration. But JFK's 1000 day term of office, referred to as "Camelot" with his beautiful and glamorous First Lady "Jackie" alongside him represents a unique moment in history for America, that ended abruptly with his death. Sadly, it seems never to return to America again.

It was a time for renewed cultural/ethical/scientific/constitutional advances for our nation in the true spirit of a modern day multifaceted renaissance and rededication to the "best of whatever America had to offer its people and their aspirations". The energy JFK's administration amassed came from the optimistic view that all areas needing improvement could be approached all at once and from all angles with the hope for a brighter and better future as its driving force. Then, in the blink of an eye, this sense of euphoria came to an abrupt halt on November 22, 1963 as Kennedy died from his bullet wounds.

I feel nothing throughout our nation's history has so effectively derailed our national progress and our aspirations that, emerging merely as a consequence to this tragic event, has so robbed all future American generations of the great dynamic nation that we once were in 1963 and the depth of our dreams we, once upon a time, aspired to in Camelot. The two assassinations that followed, namely Robert F Kennedy and Martin Luther King, only added more nails in our national coffin and the former glory and vitality of our aspirations.

Forty-eight years later, we still don't know exactly if this was some type of "coup d'état" with J Edgar Hoover joining forces with the mob to get rid of the "threatening to the status quo " atmosphere currently thriving in Washington, supporting positive changes in America for the better. Or might it have been merely the actions of some crazed lunatic(Oswald) operating on his own, thinking all the while his misguided actions would result in him becoming some "national hero" for his ignoble efforts!

Sincerely,


Stimpy


That was beautiful Stimpy. Thanks for taking the time to take me to a place that school never could. JFK must have been a truly great man.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
 
Sounds like FOX News is at it again with a light salting of truth and heavy on agenda

JFK was fortunate enough to be assassinated because he was rapidly proving ineffective as a president. He had no intention of supporting Civil Rights/Human Rights shifts in law that would have vastly psychologically if only peripherally materially improved the lot of the historically intentionally marginalized US citizens of African descent and Native American origins. Certainly JFK had no intention of returning the ill-gotten bootleg made fortune his father amassed that permitted his Harvard education to be financed. Now the ral American hero through action is LBJ who actually paid for his own education at a Texaspublic university and then worked as a teacher in a historically marginalized area in Texas with impoverished-by-intent Mexican American students. He then rose to become President and actually made speeches in support of Civil Rights legislation and got hid bacwards white southern brethren in line to begin to undo the 300 years of systemic and systematic damage done to Blacks, Native Americans, and Latinos in this great nation of supposedly unlimited opprtunity. JFK is an example of a failure receing undeserved accolades due to an accident of death. So see sense JFK and his wife and children have done nothing that was nothing but self-serving altruism when there are millions who have actually taken cioncrete self-sacrificing steps to improve the lives of others.

Dear sinjin,

However you arrived at your conclusions, it seems more like sour grapes than actual history in my opinion. I view JFK, like anyother president that lost his life in service to the nation, not unlike a soldier dying in combat, as "making the ultimate sacrifice" and his family background or wealth could not protect him from this inevitability. The fact still remains JFK, along with his brother Robert F Kennedy as Attorney General were not passive observers on civil rights for miniorities. Surely, LBJ came up the "hard way through the Depression" and was more like a populist politician than a traditional Southern Democrats that mostly wanted to preserve the "status quo" at all costs whether it conformed to the stated objectives of the "Bill of Rights" or not. To his credit, LBJ took it a step further and furthered civil and voting rights.

LBJ also married into money with Ladybird and that is the next most common way of making money the "old fashioned way" only being preceeded by Kennedy's inherited wealth that was mostly acquired one generation earlier with his aggressive father! They both used the benefits of money to advance to where they were by 1960. That is not to discount LBJ's metoric advancement from where he originated from. But, you know, LBJ was an outsider and not welcomed in the JFK administration as he was only included on the ticket as a last minute compromise to appeal to the Southern Democrat voter.

Like the bespeckled balding and wrinkled wheeler/dealer that LBJ represented, he was probably more effective at working with Congress than in the White House. He was at the timie the ultimate insider's insider in Congress with all that that implies. He was at his best when dealing with domestic affairs and JFK was heavily invested in foreign affairs.

JFK got the Peace Corps started as a means to furthering America's international perspective. I just know, after LBJ was elected to serve what would have been JFK's second term, that Americans had their fill of his aggressive policies implemented in Vietnam and made Americans feel compelled to support Nixon in hopes of furthering peace in the next election cycle in stark contrast. America was holding its breath until finally LBJ agreed to not seek re-election. The whole country gave a "combined sigh of relief when LBJ declined to seek reelection". I applaud his pushing through legislation on the War on Poverty and his suprising dedication to "Civil rights and voting rights legislation" which few so-called "Southern Gentleman" had the balls to pursue. I applaud the fact that many of the social programs resulting from him were the realization of goals established under the JFK administration and verbally acknowledged by LBJ as such when signing the new legislation.

As masterful as LBJ was in achieving legislation furthering the rights of the poor, LBJ was our worst nightmare when it came to the Vietnamese War and other "Cold War" realities. His mindset simply could never, ever admit defeat regardless of the ever increasing war dead in Viet Nam. All he understood was the use of brute force and winning through intimidation. Fortunately, along the way, he got a few things right concerning civil rights and the war on poverty.

LBJ had more time in the oval office to get more things accomplished than did JFK. But, when all is said and done, JFK did make the ultimate sacrifice and that surely is worthy of some respect!


Sincerely in my opinion, not of FOX News


Stimpy
 
JFK was fortunate enough to be assassinated because he was rapidly proving ineffective as a president. He had no intention of supporting Civil Rights/Human Rights shifts in law that would have vastly psychologically if only peripherally materially improved the lot of the historically intentionally marginalized US citizens of African descent and Native American origins. Certainly JFK had no intention of returning the ill-gotten bootleg made fortune his father amassed that permitted his Harvard education to be financed. Now the ral American hero through action is LBJ who actually paid for his own education at a Texaspublic university and then worked as a teacher in a historically marginalized area in Texas with impoverished-by-intent Mexican American students. He then rose to become President and actually made speeches in support of Civil Rights legislation and got hid bacwards white southern brethren in line to begin to undo the 300 years of systemic and systematic damage done to Blacks, Native Americans, and Latinos in this great nation of supposedly unlimited opprtunity. JFK is an example of a failure receing undeserved accolades due to an accident of death. So see sense JFK and his wife and children have done nothing that was nothing but self-serving altruism when there are millions who have actually taken cioncrete self-sacrificing steps to improve the lives of others.

Wow! Everyone is entitled to their opinions...........and I was not even born when this happened, but did you really just say that someone was "fortunate" to be murdered?
 
Wow! Everyone is entitled to their opinions...........and I was not even born when this happened, but did you really just say that someone was "fortunate" to be murdered?
Ms. K, I just re-read sinjin's nasty, mean spirited account of the tragedy of November 1963, and you are correct that he did say "JFK was fortunate enough to be assassinated because he was rapidly proving ineffective as a president".

This forum consists of all kinds of people, with all kinds of thoughts, and these comments are truly reprehensible.
 
A Question

As orginator of this thread and a JFK Democrat, I was prepared to respond to sinjin's post, reprehensible as it is, but it has disappeared. I don't know all the ways of the forum, so I'm asking, how did this happen?


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Thank you so much!

As orginator of this thread and a JFK Democrat, I was prepared to respond to sinjin's post, reprehensible as it is, but it has disappeared. I don't know all the ways of the forum, so I'm asking, how did this happen?


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Dearest Stowe1,

However it happened and whoever is the one responsible, I consider it to be approximating "divine intervention". Thank you! :welcome: You know who you are and are now eligible for a double helping with all the Thanksgiving treats and only half of the indigestion. You have earned it!


Sincerely,


Stimpy
 
I was in a class at NYU. The prof got a note and said go home go home we can't continue today. I had no idea what hapened but everyone was crying on the subway. By the time I got to my stop everyone was talking about it. Kennedy was not just our president he was like part of my family His family was like my family. I wonder what our country would be like today if it never happened?
 
I vividly remember where I was that day. How could anyone not? Needless to say I disagree with the comments which were posted and disappeared. How far he would have gone and what he would have done had he continued on into a second term is lost to us. He may have been great, average or mediocre. But given his handling of the missile crisis and some of the other things he did do, I would like to think he would have gone down in history as a great president for his accomplishments after two full terms and not for the events of the all too brief time he was among us.
 
I wasn't born yet, but of course I have learned a great deal about it from history. While JFK hadn't been in office long enough to achieve all the things he set out to, he definitely left a lasting impression on the American people during his short time in office.
 
I am glad someone had the sensitivity to remove that disgusting post. It was one thing to dislike the job someone in office is doing, but to vocalize joy at someone being murdered, that is going to far! Makes me wonder what lies in this person's basement or backyard?
 
And in conclusion...

As orginator of this thread, I want to thank everyone for posting. It meant alot to me personally to read your own thoughts and remembrances of JFK. A special word of thanks to you Stimpy for your well thought out and cogent rebuttal to sinjin's disgusting post.

Speaking of that post, I was going to rebut it, but I can't really do any better than Stimpy. Moreover, I'm assuming that this forum has a moderator or webmaster-like person who oversees the threads and posts and has authority to delete posts or threads. I think it would be informative if that person, I'm assuming Mark but not sure, would post on here as to what, if any, action beyond deleting the post was taken against sinjin. I haven't seen him on the forum since. Has he been banned? But sinjin's post did serve a useful purpose, i.e. it reminds us of the depth of depravity and hate, more often than not based on wrong facts and/or assumptions, a person can have against another person or another point of view.

Thanks again for remembering JFK.


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