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History of circumcision for our European friends

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Until 1870, medical circumcisions were performed to treat conditions local to the penis: phimosis, balanitis, and penile cancer. In that year, Lewis Sayre, a prominent New York orthopedic surgeon and vice president of the newly-formed American Medical Association, examined a five-year-old boy who was unable to straighten his legs, and whose condition had so far defied treatment. Upon noting that the boy's genitals were inflamed, Sayre hypothesized that chronic irritation of the boy's foreskin had paralyzed his knees via reflex neurosis. Sayre circumcised the boy, and within a few weeks, he recovered from his paralysis. After several additional incidents in which circumcision also appeared effective in treating paralyzed joints, Sayre began to promote circumcision as a powerful orthopedic remedy.

Sayre's prominence within the medical profession allowed him to reach a wide audience. He lectured widely in the United States and the United Kingdom, and his ideas influenced physicians throughout the English-speaking world. As more practitioners tried circumcision as a treatment for otherwise intractable medical conditions, sometimes achieving positive results, the list of ailments reputed to be treatable through circumcision grew. By the 1890s, hernia, bladder infections, kidney stones, insomnia, chronic indigestion, rheumatism, epilepsy, asthma, bedwetting, Bright's disease, erectile dysfunction, syphilis, insanity, and skin cancer had all been linked to the foreskin, and many physicians advocated universal circumcision as a preventive health measure. In 1855, the Quaker surgeon, Jonathan Hutchinson, observed that circumcision appeared to protect against syphilis.[40] Although this observation was challenged (the protection that Jews appear to have are more likely due to cultural factors[41]), a 2006 systematic review concluded that the evidence "strongly indicates that circumcised men are at lower risk ... syphilis."[42]

Specific medical arguments aside, several hypotheses have been raised in explaining the public's acceptance of infant circumcision as preventive medicine. The success of the germ theory of disease had not only enabled physicians to combat many of the postoperative complications of surgery, but had made the wider public deeply suspicious of dirt and bodily secretions. Accordingly, the smegma that collects under the foreskin was viewed as unhealthy, and circumcision readily accepted as good penile hygiene.[43] Secondly, moral sentiment of the day regarded masturbation as not only sinful, but also physically and mentally unhealthy, stimulating the foreskin to produce the host of maladies of which it was suspected. In this climate, circumcision could be employed as a means of discouraging masturbation.[39] All About the Baby, a popular parenting book of the 1890s, recommended infant circumcision for precisely this purpose. (However, a survey of 1410 men in the United States in 1992, Laumann found that circumcised men were more likely to report masturbating at least once a month.) As hospitals proliferated in urban areas, childbirth, at least among the upper and middle classes, was increasingly under the care of physicians in hospitals rather than with midwives in the home. It has been suggested that once a critical mass of infants were being circumcised in the hospital, circumcision became a class marker of those wealthy enough to afford a hospital birth.[44]

During the same time period, circumcision was becoming easier to perform. William Halstead's 1885 discovery of hypodermic cocaine as a local anaesthetic made it easier for doctors without expertise in the use of chloroform and other general anaesthetics to perform minor surgeries. Also, several mechanically-aided circumcision techniques, forerunners of modern clamp-based circumcision methods, were first published in the medical literature of the 1890s, allowing surgeons to perform circumcisions more safely and successfully.

By the 1920s, advances in the understanding of disease had undermined much of the original medical basis for preventive circumcision. Doctors continued to promote it, however, as good penile hygiene and as a preventive for a handful of conditions local to the penis: balanitis, phimosis, and penile cancer.[citation needed]

Infant circumcision was taken up in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the English-speaking parts of Canada and to a lesser extent in the United Kingdom. The British Royal Family had a long tradition requiring that all male children be circumcised” (Alfred J. Kolatach’s The Jewish Book of Why, Middle Village, New York; Jonathan David, 1981). Although it is difficult to determine historical circumcision rates, one estimate [45] of infant circumcision rates in the United States holds that 30% of newborn American boys were being circumcised in 1900, 55% in 1925, and 72% in 1950.
 
Yes. Thank you for that Logan! :)

I know that circumcision is standard among the majority of men in New Zealand. My sense is that the majority of men in Australia are uncut. Can any of our friends Down Under verify this?
 
Yes. Thank you for that Logan! :)

I know that circumcision is standard among the majority of men in New Zealand. My sense is that the majority of men in Australia are uncut. Can any of our friends Down Under verify this?
Tampa, perhaps you should go there and do a personal investigation. And perhaps I will join you as we find out, man by man. :wink::tongue_smilie:
 
Tampa, perhaps you should go there and do a personal investigation. And perhaps I will join you as we find out, man by man. :wink::tongue_smilie:


If you don't mind Mike, I will tag along with a camera and photograph the research as it takes place. :tongue_smilie:
 
Uncut in Oz

Hey Tampa and everyone else.

As far as I am aware circumcision was practiced regularly here for quite a while. It's popularity comes in fads (like diets). Therefore when you look at the age of the guy you could pretty much determine whether they are likely to be circumcised or not. The average bloke aged currently between 25 and 45 would probably be cut as it was high fashion during those years, however the younger generation <25 years has a low percentage of circumcised males. I am not sure of actual statistics surrounding this - just going by my previous experience :thumbup:.

Before anyone comments that I get around :lol:. It is because I am a doctor and previously a nurse so have seen more then my fair share. So in answer to your statement, I would have to say that it depends on how old the bloke is as to the number of blokes circumcised.
 
Thanks doc,

Nice to meet you. Are you circumcised? Would you advice young parents to do so...

Why would any man line up, and lay his penis on the table to get it chopped if there was not some major benefit? You still need to use a condom and practice safe sex... Is there still an active pro circumcision lobby?
 
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Thank you Frodo for giving us some insight on that. I had thought that most men in Oz were circumcised. Then on cam sites I saw that most Aussies from about mid 20's and younger (those on cam at least) were all uncut. So your explanation answered that question for me perfectly.

Thank you!
 
In Amsterdam you'll find handsome Arab and Turkish guys: black hair, brown eyes, white teeth. In fact I had the pleasure to get to know some of them a bit better. Sometimes remarkably blessed; and all cut.

Do we get to see more uncut youngsters on Broke Straight Boys in the future; we'll find out as time goes by.
 
Response

Hi rrhill

In answer to your question, yes I am circumcised. In response to your second question - that is more difficult to answer.

IMHO I do agree with circumcision as a baby/child for the simple fact that I was circumcised at 5 due to complications. I have also dealt with numerous patients (12 in the last 6 months, between the ages of 12-17 who needed to have a circumcision for multiple reasons, infection, blantitis, phimosis). I always feel for these patients - not so much due to the pain of the procedure (lets face it there are plenty more painful procedures out there) but more so the fact that they are going through such a radical change with their genitals during puberty - enough to scar any young kid I would presume.

In my professional POV, I have to 'be on the fence' and keep my personal opinions aside. It is quite difficult to obtain a surgeon to circumcise a baby here in Australia for cosmetic appearances only and if you can the child either has to be done before 14 days old (done with local anaesthetic) or wait until after 12 months (general anaesthetic). I currently work as an Emergency Physician so don't generally have parents coming to me for referrals, but do give out referrals to Urologists for children with severe problems or reoccurring issues.

In conclusion, my personal opinion would be pro-circumcision, my professional opinion is reserved and left to the parents to decide. Although these are my opinions - I don't really want to get involved with a cut/uncut debate as from my experience it escalates and gets heated very quickly and generally neither side will back down resulting in a stalemate. Sorry about the long winded reply

Thanks Luke


Thanks doc,

Nice to meet you. Are you circumcised? Would you advice young parents to do so...

Why would any man line up, and lay his penis on the table to get it chopped if there was not some major benefit? You still need to use a condom and practice safe sex... Is there still an active pro circumcision lobby?
 
Botched circumcisions do happen

Until 1870, medical circumcisions were performed to treat conditions local to the penis: phimosis, balanitis, and penile cancer. In that year, Lewis Sayre, a prominent New York orthopedic surgeon and vice president of the newly-formed American Medical Association, examined a five-year-old boy who was unable to straighten his legs, and whose condition had so far defied treatment. Upon noting that the boy's genitals were inflamed, Sayre hypothesized that chronic irritation of the boy's foreskin had paralyzed his knees via reflex neurosis. Sayre circumcised the boy, and within a few weeks, he recovered from his paralysis. After several additional incidents in which circumcision also appeared effective in treating paralyzed joints, Sayre began to promote circumcision as a powerful orthopedic remedy.

Sayre's prominence within the medical profession allowed him to reach a wide audience. He lectured widely in the United States and the United Kingdom, and his ideas influenced physicians throughout the English-speaking world. As more practitioners tried circumcision as a treatment for otherwise intractable medical conditions, sometimes achieving positive results, the list of ailments reputed to be treatable through circumcision grew. By the 1890s, hernia, bladder infections, kidney stones, insomnia, chronic indigestion, rheumatism, epilepsy, asthma, bedwetting, Bright's disease, erectile dysfunction, syphilis, insanity, and skin cancer had all been linked to the foreskin, and many physicians advocated universal circumcision as a preventive health measure. In 1855, the Quaker surgeon, Jonathan Hutchinson, observed that circumcision appeared to protect against syphilis.[40] Although this observation was challenged (the protection that Jews appear to have are more likely due to cultural factors[41]), a 2006 systematic review concluded that the evidence "strongly indicates that circumcised men are at lower risk ... syphilis."[42]

Specific medical arguments aside, several hypotheses have been raised in explaining the public's acceptance of infant circumcision as preventive medicine. The success of the germ theory of disease had not only enabled physicians to combat many of the postoperative complications of surgery, but had made the wider public deeply suspicious of dirt and bodily secretions. Accordingly, the smegma that collects under the foreskin was viewed as unhealthy, and circumcision readily accepted as good penile hygiene.[43] Secondly, moral sentiment of the day regarded masturbation as not only sinful, but also physically and mentally unhealthy, stimulating the foreskin to produce the host of maladies of which it was suspected. In this climate, circumcision could be employed as a means of discouraging masturbation.[39] All About the Baby, a popular parenting book of the 1890s, recommended infant circumcision for precisely this purpose. (However, a survey of 1410 men in the United States in 1992, Laumann found that circumcised men were more likely to report masturbating at least once a month.) As hospitals proliferated in urban areas, childbirth, at least among the upper and middle classes, was increasingly under the care of physicians in hospitals rather than with midwives in the home. It has been suggested that once a critical mass of infants were being circumcised in the hospital, circumcision became a class marker of those wealthy enough to afford a hospital birth.[44]

During the same time period, circumcision was becoming easier to perform. William Halstead's 1885 discovery of hypodermic cocaine as a local anaesthetic made it easier for doctors without expertise in the use of chloroform and other general anaesthetics to perform minor surgeries. Also, several mechanically-aided circumcision techniques, forerunners of modern clamp-based circumcision methods, were first published in the medical literature of the 1890s, allowing surgeons to perform circumcisions more safely and successfully.

By the 1920s, advances in the understanding of disease had undermined much of the original medical basis for preventive circumcision. Doctors continued to promote it, however, as good penile hygiene and as a preventive for a handful of conditions local to the penis: balanitis, phimosis, and penile cancer.[citation needed]

Infant circumcision was taken up in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the English-speaking parts of Canada and to a lesser extent in the United Kingdom. The British Royal Family had a long tradition requiring that all male children be circumcised” (Alfred J. Kolatach’s The Jewish Book of Why, Middle Village, New York; Jonathan David, 1981). Although it is difficult to determine historical circumcision rates, one estimate [45] of infant circumcision rates in the United States holds that 30% of newborn American boys were being circumcised in 1900, 55% in 1925, and 72% in 1950.

Dear LoganBroad,

Circumcision is a medical procedure with medical risks to the individual. "Botched" circumcisions happen. These pictures explain some of the botched circumcisions people must deal with for an entire lifetime. Click on all links at the bottom of the page

http://www.circumstitions.com/Botched1.html

In the US there is a growing trend today to avoid circumcisions in infant males more and more, where there is no medical necessity. Personally, I find that a wise decision as long as boys are taught to clean their penis thoroughly. How hard is that? It is not exactly rocket science. It takes only a few seconds longer and guys in Europe are not any more intelligent than we are here in the US. I feel if they can handle this added burden, so can we.

Sincerely,


Stimpy
 
Thank you Luke,

No long and winded reply at all, it's my pleasure to read, analyze and understand your arguments. Cut and uncut have both their advantages and disadvantages. No debate needed.

However on a forum a Jewish guy wished he still had his foreskin. Is it an irreversible operation?

In Muslim countries and Israel circumcision is part of their religious culture. Less so in the US. On Broke Straight Boys we get to see the end result of an Health Campaign from twenty years ago. That is interesting news for an uncut European who was surprised to find out all Americans were cut.

Feel the fever cool down already,
Robert.
 
Well...not all Americans. Depending on the region of the country I would guess that there are about 15-20% of Americans who are uncut. That's just a subjective guess. Not an offical statistic.
 
If that were the case Tampa one in six Broke Straight Boys models would have to be uncircumcised. However it's mostly the foreign boys, or Latinos with foreskin on Broke Straight Boys The uncut boys seem to be less broke somehow...

By the way Stimpy, it does not feel like a burden carrying my foreskin round and about.
In fact most uncut persons appreciate the sensation of a sliding foreskin. In Europe we feel sorry for those of you that have to miss out...
 
Mark's talent scouts can't order 1,5 foreskins per 10. Models do not come from the butcher shop.

Just write 2 out of 12 on their shopping list. :sneaky2:
 
You mean that the U.S. doesn't have 2.3 children per household after all? :confused1: Now it's finally making sense. LOL :biggrin:
 
Ever tried to collect 2.3 children from a kindergarten? Bring a knife... :w00t:

So let's settle for two uncut models out of every twelve Broke Straight Boys models; will you please Tampa?

Or one in six?
 
In my experience it's more cut ozzies and more uncut kiwis, but the revelation that circumcision goes in and out of fashion in the Antipodes, like tonsillectomies, makes speculation unnecessary.

I have to say that I cringe every time we get a close-up of the side of Jimmy's dickhead with that stringy adhesion scar binding the skin to the glans. He would be so effin' hot with a working class foreskin.

In the USA it could be that it's a class thing, and that uncut guys tend to be underclass and mostly minority, and the circumcised are the sons of generations of country club members.

A friend of mine who competed against Prince Will in a number of swimming meets confirmed that not only did HRH check him out in the changing room, but that Will's willy was uncut and in no hurry to hide behind a towel. They chatted for several minutes mega close up, and nekkid.

I trust this info because I quibbled vigorously with him about the state of the royal dickhead. And he swore it was true. I've heard the myth before about the UK Royals. Maybe Diana said no siree.
 
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